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Cheese? Yes or no, and what is your reason for saying so? (reddthat.com)
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[–] 13 points 3 years ago (3 children)

No, because a cow has to be impregnated and their baby is taken away (and either killed (male) or is also going to be a milk cow (female)) just for you having some pleasure.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I get that, which is why I can't wait for lab-grown meat to take off so that I can finally eat the things I enjoy guilt-free. I'll be among the first to buy it the moment it's at the grocery store. Hopefully lab-grown cheese comes next. Vegan "cheez" is awful.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I agree but vegan cheese/milk just doesn't cut it. I'm vegetarian but until they manage to emulate the taste better I make a concession for cheese.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You don't really miss it after a few months. And maybe it's stockholme syndrome but lately when I get something with vegan "cheese" on it, it hasn't been awful. Last weekend I got a Daiya pizza thinking it was gonna be complete trash and it wasn't horrible actually.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    I've heard the best way to to replace cheese (as a vegan or someone going non-diary) is to just not. The vegan cheese substitutes don't taste good if you are used to dairy and cheese in general doesn't really provide much nutrition

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This is actually the route I've been inching towards. I've started getting my veggie burgers with just veggies and will make a slaw for my tacos and I've been missing it less and less. I'm mostly gonna treat it as part of my "vegan junk food" list hopefully going forward.

    But like I'll still use nooch for like my pesto and such lol. But my pesto recipe is one of those things where you can't even really tell it's vegan imo.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    What's the recipe, if you don't mind sharing? I haven't really tried pesto many times, and when I did they didn't turn out well

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I say "my recipe" but I got it from here: https://www.forkintheroad.co/vegan-spinach-pesto/#recipe

    I use sunflower seeds instead of pine nuts because I'm not a millionaire. I have made it with a blend of spinach and basil before as well. Spinach is cheaper unless you grow basil or something.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    Yeah. I tried the vegan cheeses because you have to have cheese on pizza right? (Violife is the only decent tasting one I've found here that doesn't contain carageenan). Then I tried making pizza without cheese and it's just as good. So now I have cheeseless pizza. The flavour comes from the veg.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Agree. Although a slice of avocado will really be a satisfying alternative to cheese in many situations. Hits that fatty and creamy note. Just no macaroni & guacamole please.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    In other words β€œI support cruelty against animals because of my taste buds, fully knowing what that animal cruelty contains”

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, but you have to draw a line somewhere. The crops you eat have pesticides on, animals are trapped and killed to keep the places you eat and live clean.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    yawn

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    How is anyone going to take you seriously if that's your response to a debate?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    My take is that you are not engaging in a serious debate. Competing with β€œpests” for crop yield is not anywhere on the same level as cultivating an industry with systemic animal abuse.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    I'm saying that there are different places that people draw the line on the amount of cruelty and suffering they will allow in order to live their lives. I could also point out the conditions of the people who assemble the devices that were using to have this debate, or the habitats destroyed in the mining of the material required. It's impossible to live in a way where you avoid inflicting some sort of suffering on others and it's all about where you personally find a balance between convinience for you and suffering for others.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I don't understand why vcj types who just express ennui at talking to meat eaters even come into these threads. You're not helping convince people to lay off the cheese by doing this.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    Its not about convincing anyone.

    its about inflating their imaginary victimization by provoking responses with their stupid comments, So they can go on to cry about the evilbadcruel world and feel ever more justified as they arrogantly huff their own farts

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Knowing humans, it's either that or extinction. I think cows did a pretty smart move, evolutionairywise. That said, it is time for change.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    The breeds abused for milk are like those dogs which can't breath. What is your stance on dogs who cant breath or run, do we need to breed them to avoid their extinction?

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