▲ 356 ▼ Return to office is ‘dead,’ Stanford economist says. Here’s why (www.cnbc.com) submitted 2 years ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 57 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 75 points 2 years ago (2 children) Doesn't mean fragile ego management and oh my real estate is devalued jackasses won't fight for return to office tooth and nail. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 43 points 2 years ago (3 children) At the end of the article: Younger firms and CEOs also tend to be more enthusiastic about hybrid work arrangements, meaning they’ll get more popular over time as existing business heads retire, he added. So don't worry, those fragile ego managers will die out over time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago* (4 children) I don’t want hybrid, I want full remote. Hybrid means I still have to live in a stupid expensive city to have a decent job. Full remote means I can go live where I want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] RoboRay@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago This... I recently took a fully-remote position, but my wife is hybrid so we're still tied down. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was on hybrid. I hated it. I was so much more productive at home where I could be comfortable and distraction-free. If you want work friends, fine. Go to the office. Never again for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnarchistsForDemocracy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago in a fully remote environment you can still establish relationships at work, you just have to go out of your way. Ask people to have a small 5 min chat over ms teams. Worked out well for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago My employer went fully WFH for their engineering/tech teams just before the pandemic. Our CEO specifically stated the desire was to hire the best engineering talent no matter where in the world they were, and not make anybody feel left out. In roughly the last year or so they have encouraged employees who live less than an hour away from an office to come in a couple times a month. So I guess that technically we’re hybrid as well now. But they again made it clear that it’s only if it’s within a reasonable distance. I personally haven’t set foot in one of our offices since 2019. The office closest to me is 2+ hours away in another state. I have coworkers on my team that would have 6+ hour drives. And then there are employees living in other countries throughout Europe & Asia who certainly aren’t going to commute to our Berlin office… Hybrid is perfectly fine as long as the employer doesn’t try to blindly force it on everybody without exception. permalink fedilink source parent [–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Also hybrid meetings suck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago We did all of our meetings via Zoom whether we were in the office or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago Hybrid work in a giant organisation - on Wednesdays my whole team is in the office, but of the ten of us, no three are in the same site, so it's on WebEx anyway permalink fedilink source parent [–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago Oh don't worry, just as many of the young managers have a fragile ego. You're just going to see it come out differently. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Endorkend@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, no. Narcissists and antisocial types have weaseled their way into positions of power since time immemorial. They will continue to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I don't understand why this got downvotes, there is even research supporting this. edit: Maybe it's the common misunderstanding of what it means to be "antisocial" in psychology? Many are still not aware it has nothing to do with keeping to yourself or other socially neutral behaviours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago There’s always a few downvoters in each thread downvoting innocuous comments. Luckily the points are made up and the votes don’t matter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bikesarethefuture@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Don't forget car companies and oil lobby will fight it really hard so we can keep burning our planet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) We should tax busniess who could have workers WFH but don't let them to cover the societal costs they impose lien traffic and pollution permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Just require employers to pay for 60 minutes of travel time a day every time employees have to go to the office no matter where the employee lives and you'll see they'll start sweating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago If only permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would almost* like to see that litigated again. Last time the argument was "people have had to travel to their workplace before starting since time immemorial, so no change now" But now that for many jobs the work location is arbitrary that argument wont be so easy. *"Almost" since the money would still be on the other side permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I wish we didn't need these things to go to court for them to change, but it would require an extremely progressive government in power for that to happen in any country... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Government doesn't help much with court, except where they change the law permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what I meant, why should we need to go to court to get that right recognized when it should be the government changing the law without court intervention? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 43 points 2 years ago (3 children) At the end of the article: Younger firms and CEOs also tend to be more enthusiastic about hybrid work arrangements, meaning they’ll get more popular over time as existing business heads retire, he added. So don't worry, those fragile ego managers will die out over time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago* (4 children) I don’t want hybrid, I want full remote. Hybrid means I still have to live in a stupid expensive city to have a decent job. Full remote means I can go live where I want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] RoboRay@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago This... I recently took a fully-remote position, but my wife is hybrid so we're still tied down. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was on hybrid. I hated it. I was so much more productive at home where I could be comfortable and distraction-free. If you want work friends, fine. Go to the office. Never again for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnarchistsForDemocracy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago in a fully remote environment you can still establish relationships at work, you just have to go out of your way. Ask people to have a small 5 min chat over ms teams. Worked out well for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago My employer went fully WFH for their engineering/tech teams just before the pandemic. Our CEO specifically stated the desire was to hire the best engineering talent no matter where in the world they were, and not make anybody feel left out. In roughly the last year or so they have encouraged employees who live less than an hour away from an office to come in a couple times a month. So I guess that technically we’re hybrid as well now. But they again made it clear that it’s only if it’s within a reasonable distance. I personally haven’t set foot in one of our offices since 2019. The office closest to me is 2+ hours away in another state. I have coworkers on my team that would have 6+ hour drives. And then there are employees living in other countries throughout Europe & Asia who certainly aren’t going to commute to our Berlin office… Hybrid is perfectly fine as long as the employer doesn’t try to blindly force it on everybody without exception. permalink fedilink source parent [–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Also hybrid meetings suck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago We did all of our meetings via Zoom whether we were in the office or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago Hybrid work in a giant organisation - on Wednesdays my whole team is in the office, but of the ten of us, no three are in the same site, so it's on WebEx anyway permalink fedilink source parent [–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago Oh don't worry, just as many of the young managers have a fragile ego. You're just going to see it come out differently. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Endorkend@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, no. Narcissists and antisocial types have weaseled their way into positions of power since time immemorial. They will continue to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I don't understand why this got downvotes, there is even research supporting this. edit: Maybe it's the common misunderstanding of what it means to be "antisocial" in psychology? Many are still not aware it has nothing to do with keeping to yourself or other socially neutral behaviours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago There’s always a few downvoters in each thread downvoting innocuous comments. Luckily the points are made up and the votes don’t matter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago* (4 children) I don’t want hybrid, I want full remote. Hybrid means I still have to live in a stupid expensive city to have a decent job. Full remote means I can go live where I want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] RoboRay@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago This... I recently took a fully-remote position, but my wife is hybrid so we're still tied down. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was on hybrid. I hated it. I was so much more productive at home where I could be comfortable and distraction-free. If you want work friends, fine. Go to the office. Never again for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnarchistsForDemocracy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago in a fully remote environment you can still establish relationships at work, you just have to go out of your way. Ask people to have a small 5 min chat over ms teams. Worked out well for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago My employer went fully WFH for their engineering/tech teams just before the pandemic. Our CEO specifically stated the desire was to hire the best engineering talent no matter where in the world they were, and not make anybody feel left out. In roughly the last year or so they have encouraged employees who live less than an hour away from an office to come in a couple times a month. So I guess that technically we’re hybrid as well now. But they again made it clear that it’s only if it’s within a reasonable distance. I personally haven’t set foot in one of our offices since 2019. The office closest to me is 2+ hours away in another state. I have coworkers on my team that would have 6+ hour drives. And then there are employees living in other countries throughout Europe & Asia who certainly aren’t going to commute to our Berlin office… Hybrid is perfectly fine as long as the employer doesn’t try to blindly force it on everybody without exception. permalink fedilink source parent [–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Also hybrid meetings suck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago We did all of our meetings via Zoom whether we were in the office or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago Hybrid work in a giant organisation - on Wednesdays my whole team is in the office, but of the ten of us, no three are in the same site, so it's on WebEx anyway permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RoboRay@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago This... I recently took a fully-remote position, but my wife is hybrid so we're still tied down. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was on hybrid. I hated it. I was so much more productive at home where I could be comfortable and distraction-free. If you want work friends, fine. Go to the office. Never again for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnarchistsForDemocracy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago in a fully remote environment you can still establish relationships at work, you just have to go out of your way. Ask people to have a small 5 min chat over ms teams. Worked out well for me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnarchistsForDemocracy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago in a fully remote environment you can still establish relationships at work, you just have to go out of your way. Ask people to have a small 5 min chat over ms teams. Worked out well for me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago My employer went fully WFH for their engineering/tech teams just before the pandemic. Our CEO specifically stated the desire was to hire the best engineering talent no matter where in the world they were, and not make anybody feel left out. In roughly the last year or so they have encouraged employees who live less than an hour away from an office to come in a couple times a month. So I guess that technically we’re hybrid as well now. But they again made it clear that it’s only if it’s within a reasonable distance. I personally haven’t set foot in one of our offices since 2019. The office closest to me is 2+ hours away in another state. I have coworkers on my team that would have 6+ hour drives. And then there are employees living in other countries throughout Europe & Asia who certainly aren’t going to commute to our Berlin office… Hybrid is perfectly fine as long as the employer doesn’t try to blindly force it on everybody without exception. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Also hybrid meetings suck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago We did all of our meetings via Zoom whether we were in the office or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago Hybrid work in a giant organisation - on Wednesdays my whole team is in the office, but of the ten of us, no three are in the same site, so it's on WebEx anyway permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago We did all of our meetings via Zoom whether we were in the office or not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago Hybrid work in a giant organisation - on Wednesdays my whole team is in the office, but of the ten of us, no three are in the same site, so it's on WebEx anyway permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago Oh don't worry, just as many of the young managers have a fragile ego. You're just going to see it come out differently. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, no. Narcissists and antisocial types have weaseled their way into positions of power since time immemorial. They will continue to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I don't understand why this got downvotes, there is even research supporting this. edit: Maybe it's the common misunderstanding of what it means to be "antisocial" in psychology? Many are still not aware it has nothing to do with keeping to yourself or other socially neutral behaviours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago There’s always a few downvoters in each thread downvoting innocuous comments. Luckily the points are made up and the votes don’t matter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I don't understand why this got downvotes, there is even research supporting this. edit: Maybe it's the common misunderstanding of what it means to be "antisocial" in psychology? Many are still not aware it has nothing to do with keeping to yourself or other socially neutral behaviours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago There’s always a few downvoters in each thread downvoting innocuous comments. Luckily the points are made up and the votes don’t matter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teft@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago There’s always a few downvoters in each thread downvoting innocuous comments. Luckily the points are made up and the votes don’t matter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bikesarethefuture@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Don't forget car companies and oil lobby will fight it really hard so we can keep burning our planet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) We should tax busniess who could have workers WFH but don't let them to cover the societal costs they impose lien traffic and pollution permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Just require employers to pay for 60 minutes of travel time a day every time employees have to go to the office no matter where the employee lives and you'll see they'll start sweating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago If only permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would almost* like to see that litigated again. Last time the argument was "people have had to travel to their workplace before starting since time immemorial, so no change now" But now that for many jobs the work location is arbitrary that argument wont be so easy. *"Almost" since the money would still be on the other side permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I wish we didn't need these things to go to court for them to change, but it would require an extremely progressive government in power for that to happen in any country... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Government doesn't help much with court, except where they change the law permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what I meant, why should we need to go to court to get that right recognized when it should be the government changing the law without court intervention? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) We should tax busniess who could have workers WFH but don't let them to cover the societal costs they impose lien traffic and pollution permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Just require employers to pay for 60 minutes of travel time a day every time employees have to go to the office no matter where the employee lives and you'll see they'll start sweating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago If only permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would almost* like to see that litigated again. Last time the argument was "people have had to travel to their workplace before starting since time immemorial, so no change now" But now that for many jobs the work location is arbitrary that argument wont be so easy. *"Almost" since the money would still be on the other side permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I wish we didn't need these things to go to court for them to change, but it would require an extremely progressive government in power for that to happen in any country... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Government doesn't help much with court, except where they change the law permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what I meant, why should we need to go to court to get that right recognized when it should be the government changing the law without court intervention? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Just require employers to pay for 60 minutes of travel time a day every time employees have to go to the office no matter where the employee lives and you'll see they'll start sweating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago If only permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would almost* like to see that litigated again. Last time the argument was "people have had to travel to their workplace before starting since time immemorial, so no change now" But now that for many jobs the work location is arbitrary that argument wont be so easy. *"Almost" since the money would still be on the other side permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I wish we didn't need these things to go to court for them to change, but it would require an extremely progressive government in power for that to happen in any country... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Government doesn't help much with court, except where they change the law permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what I meant, why should we need to go to court to get that right recognized when it should be the government changing the law without court intervention? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would almost* like to see that litigated again. Last time the argument was "people have had to travel to their workplace before starting since time immemorial, so no change now" But now that for many jobs the work location is arbitrary that argument wont be so easy. *"Almost" since the money would still be on the other side permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I wish we didn't need these things to go to court for them to change, but it would require an extremely progressive government in power for that to happen in any country... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Government doesn't help much with court, except where they change the law permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what I meant, why should we need to go to court to get that right recognized when it should be the government changing the law without court intervention? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I wish we didn't need these things to go to court for them to change, but it would require an extremely progressive government in power for that to happen in any country... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Government doesn't help much with court, except where they change the law permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what I meant, why should we need to go to court to get that right recognized when it should be the government changing the law without court intervention? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Government doesn't help much with court, except where they change the law permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what I meant, why should we need to go to court to get that right recognized when it should be the government changing the law without court intervention? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what I meant, why should we need to go to court to get that right recognized when it should be the government changing the law without court intervention? permalink fedilink source parent