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This sign says it all. (lemmy.world)
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[+] -23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

"Your tax dollars help protect innocent people against terror"

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Terror like bombing civilians in refugee camps?

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Not that I'm pro one side or the other, but what should be done when hamas tells civilians to stay, and then hides behind them? That leaves hamas alive to stage another attack on... civilians.

    Like, I get that there should have been a better solution than what was done after ww2, but we can't go back in time and the Israelis aren't leaving.

    So... what? Hamas doesn't seem to care that their avilians die, and actively use them as shielding so they can kill more Israelis. It's fucked.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    This "human shield" propaganda is so biased. By Israel's extremely broad definition, every Palestinian is a human shield.

    If you were to apply this sick "human shield" logic to both sides, most of the innocent civilians killed by Hamas on Oct 7th would be acceptable military targets.

    The IDF has military infrastructure near schools, malls, and hospitals. Why are they hiding behind human shields?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    If you were to apply this sick "human shield" logic to both sides, most of the innocent civilians killed by Hamas on Oct 7th

    There were no military hiding among the party goers, or among the people living in their homes. The military personnel killed, was stationed at separate military installations that Hamas also targeted.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm not talking about all Palestinians. I'm talking about the ones who are talked into staying where they are by hamas despite a warning ahead of time from Israel (and b4 you come in with "24 hours isn't enough time," I agree with you, but it's something. It's an attempt. The ravers were given zero warning, on purpose.)

    Those Palestinians are, literally, being used as human shields, and trying to brush that off as deceptive propaganda is ignoring the evilness of hamas.

    Being near something is different from hiding behind them. Hamas is IN civilian schools, sitting with the students, and IN the malls, standing among the shoppers, and IN the hospitals, betting on the fact that when Palestinians die, more people will back their agenda. They want them to die because it garners sympathy.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I'm just asking you to apply the same logic to both sides.

    Members of the IDF also go inside schools, malls, and hospitals. In fact, since there is mandatory military service in Israel, it's easy to say that the IDF are everywhere. In my opinion, this does not justify Hamas rockets targeting Israel, but the same logic is used to justify the massive Israeli bombardment on civilian infrastructure.

    Suggesting that Hamas wants it's own civilians to die is just sick IDF propaganda to justify war crimes. I think civilians stayed in north Gaza because they did not want to abandon their homes, not because "hamas talked them into staying" lol

    The IDF has launched, by it's own admission, over 8000 rockets into Gaza. Are we to believe all 8000 were launched at legitimate Hamas targets? To justify such an act we need serious evidence, "The IDF said it was all Hamas" is not good enough.

    All of this is hauntingly similar to the US "war on terror". At a certain point, we labeled all military-aged males as "enemy combatants", therefore it was acceptable to kill them all. Israel is following the US lead: kill them all, then label them as Hamas to justify the mass slaughter.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Israel has conscription. Pretty much all of its adults have been in the military. We should be allowed to expand on your rationale to claim that most of the Israeli deaths weren't civilians because they have been in the IDF.

    It's shit logic, but so is yours.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "(...) Against terror they created opressing random ppl"

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    This is what I don't understand is so hard for people. It's not like Israel has always been there, in that spot in in the Middle East, and that Palestinians teleported into Gaza and the West Bank unannounced one day. Gazans are basically refugees shoved in a tiny plot of territory carved out of what used to be their homeland, walled in, and brutally repressed for almost sixty years now. This doesn't excuse Hamas targeting innocents, but it goes a very long way towards explaining why Gaza might be home to a hardline anti-Israeli guerilla organization that sees the lives of their own people as cheap and those of their enemies as valueless. That's kinda the dynamic that the Israelis forced onto them, and now they're all up in arms that Hamas is acting accordingly.

    Don't get me wrong, Hamas are still bad guys in this particular episode. But that sure as shit doesn't make Israel the good guys. There are only villains and victims here.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If I’m going to fund at least one side it sure isn’t going to be the terrorists

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    Both sides are terrorists.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    No, we can condemn both sides without calling it all terrorism. That's just plain stupid. Terrorism is a specific tactic and just because you don't like what a conventional military is doing doesn't make it terrorism. It's worthwhile to maintain our definitions.

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  • [+] -14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    TIL defending yourself from terrorists makes you a terrorist

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Bombing hospitals and ambulance convoys makes you a terrorist

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  • [+] -20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Not when those targets are occupied by terrorists.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If a killer hides in your house, is it right for the whole house to be bombed? Or are you now a terrorist by virtue of proximity?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    If there's a criminal hiding in a crowd, how many people can a cop shoot through to make sure the criminal doesnt get away?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The fact that you just asked that question legitimately kind of scares me

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Depends on the caliber of their gun, whether they're using frag bullets or not, and how many spare mags did they bring with themselves...... wait, you meant "can", or "should be allowed to"?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Do you not think the innocent Palestinians are terrified?

    Justify the killing of innocent people by saying they killed one man makes you no better than the terrorists that started this latest conflict.

    Before you inevitably bring up that well Hamas are the ruling power, therefore the people must support them. Remember that the vast majority of people weren’t even alive when Hamas took power, and even then it was a narrow win.

    I find you abhorrent for trying to defend any kind of terrorism, even if you believe in the cause. No life is worth more than any other, you sick fucks.

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  • [+] -13 points 2 years ago

    The issue is that hamas purposely is using their civilians to shield themselves. Isreal can only do so much to try and hit only hamas members, but war isn't that clean, no matter how much we wish it was. Yup, lots of evil all around, and there are some sick fucks in the IDF. But they're not using their own civilians and shields. Like, forcing them to stay in place so they're assured to die.

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