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This sign says it all. (lemmy.world)
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[+] -7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Not that I'm pro one side or the other, but what should be done when hamas tells civilians to stay, and then hides behind them? That leaves hamas alive to stage another attack on... civilians.

Like, I get that there should have been a better solution than what was done after ww2, but we can't go back in time and the Israelis aren't leaving.

So... what? Hamas doesn't seem to care that their avilians die, and actively use them as shielding so they can kill more Israelis. It's fucked.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    This "human shield" propaganda is so biased. By Israel's extremely broad definition, every Palestinian is a human shield.

    If you were to apply this sick "human shield" logic to both sides, most of the innocent civilians killed by Hamas on Oct 7th would be acceptable military targets.

    The IDF has military infrastructure near schools, malls, and hospitals. Why are they hiding behind human shields?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    If you were to apply this sick "human shield" logic to both sides, most of the innocent civilians killed by Hamas on Oct 7th

    There were no military hiding among the party goers, or among the people living in their homes. The military personnel killed, was stationed at separate military installations that Hamas also targeted.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm not talking about all Palestinians. I'm talking about the ones who are talked into staying where they are by hamas despite a warning ahead of time from Israel (and b4 you come in with "24 hours isn't enough time," I agree with you, but it's something. It's an attempt. The ravers were given zero warning, on purpose.)

    Those Palestinians are, literally, being used as human shields, and trying to brush that off as deceptive propaganda is ignoring the evilness of hamas.

    Being near something is different from hiding behind them. Hamas is IN civilian schools, sitting with the students, and IN the malls, standing among the shoppers, and IN the hospitals, betting on the fact that when Palestinians die, more people will back their agenda. They want them to die because it garners sympathy.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I'm just asking you to apply the same logic to both sides.

    Members of the IDF also go inside schools, malls, and hospitals. In fact, since there is mandatory military service in Israel, it's easy to say that the IDF are everywhere. In my opinion, this does not justify Hamas rockets targeting Israel, but the same logic is used to justify the massive Israeli bombardment on civilian infrastructure.

    Suggesting that Hamas wants it's own civilians to die is just sick IDF propaganda to justify war crimes. I think civilians stayed in north Gaza because they did not want to abandon their homes, not because "hamas talked them into staying" lol

    The IDF has launched, by it's own admission, over 8000 rockets into Gaza. Are we to believe all 8000 were launched at legitimate Hamas targets? To justify such an act we need serious evidence, "The IDF said it was all Hamas" is not good enough.

    All of this is hauntingly similar to the US "war on terror". At a certain point, we labeled all military-aged males as "enemy combatants", therefore it was acceptable to kill them all. Israel is following the US lead: kill them all, then label them as Hamas to justify the mass slaughter.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Israel has conscription. Pretty much all of its adults have been in the military. We should be allowed to expand on your rationale to claim that most of the Israeli deaths weren't civilians because they have been in the IDF.

    It's shit logic, but so is yours.

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