▲ 378 ▼ Hamas official says group aims to repeat Oct. 7 onslaught many times to destroy Israel (www.timesofisrael.com) submitted 2 years ago by steventhedev@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 277 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 82 points 2 years ago (3 children) It’s easy to support Palestinian statehood. Anyone that supports Hamas is a moron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SlowNoPoPo@lemm.ee 33 points 2 years ago (5 children) I was about to say, who's out there supporting hamas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) The tankies are all over it, actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago It’s crazy because I’m pretty sure a lot of them would be considered “undesirables” in the societies they claim to want to live in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago That’s it. I’m never voting for a tankie again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Bro like literally 90% of Lemmy has a throbbing boner for Hamas and his stated antisemitic terrorists, even in this thread, terrorists apologizers abound permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Weird that as a Jew who is pretty damn sensitive to antisemitism since I faced a lot of it growing up in religious Indiana, I haven't noticed this support for antisemitic terrorists on Lemmy. I've seen a lot of support for innocent people being slaughtered because of Israel's response to antisemitic terrorists, but that's a separate issue. People in the U.S. protested the war in Afghanistan. Does that mean they supported Al Qaeda? Because this is some real "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists" thinking from my perspective. permalink fedilink source parent [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago You've not been in these threads for very long, have you? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago Tankies? The same people supporting Russia, China, and other brutalist regimes... permalink fedilink source parent [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago You’d be surprised, they’re out there permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago (3 children) Considering Hamas is the organization governing Gaza right now, the two are often intertwined in these discussions permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SlowNoPoPo@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (2 children) Governing is a generous term permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Under any solution (one or two state), Hamas will be the ones in power and representing the Palestinian block. Doesn't matter if they do a good job of it or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) How do you figure? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are the de facto (and kind of de jure...) government of Gaza. Hell, they run the Health Ministry that provides a lot of the updates. If this somehow ends with anything short of further subjugation and/or eradication, they will be "heroes". And they aren't going to lessen their hold on the Palestinian people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They were also very unpopular before Oct 7 and I doubt they've gotten any more popular since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Popularity doesn't really matter when they were, and are, the power in charge in Gaza. And "popularity" will go through the roof if, somehow, they are the ones that get the Israeli Government to stop being genocidal dicks and actually make concessions... by raping and murdering Israeli, German, and UK citizens? permalink fedilink source parent [+] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel controls the borders how can Hamas do this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes Egypt also doesn't exists permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago it really is amazing how all the Hamas supporters simply refuse to acknowledge this one simple fact permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) It seems to me that Hamas "governs" Palestine the same way groups like the Mafia or Yakuza "govern" the people they extort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (3 children) Didn't the Palestinian people vote them in? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 17 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Almost 20 years ago, when the majority of Palestinians alive today were either too young to vote or hadn't even been born. How long after an election do you assume elected leaders have any real mandate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point was that regardless of their ability to do it, they were at one time the elected officials of the geographic location known as Gaza. They're obviously not a real government in policy and action, but they're the only thing that exists to even bear the term or concept of governance in the area. There is no other group to be considered as the government, no matter how awful Hamas is at being a government of any variety. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago At one time, yes, but I don't think we should be holding the Palestinians today to that. That would be like the Dubya era. If he had kept office until now, he would certainly not represent the opinion of Americans. Hamas is embedded like a parasite, but there's better ways to point this out. permalink fedilink source parent [+] guacupado@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) How long before you expect a population to be responsible for their country? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SmoothIsFast@citizensgaming.com 6 points 2 years ago I don't blame North Koreans for being in a dictatorship, why would I blame Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago* When their "leaders" don't represent them? Never. Same reason I don't hate on Israelis. permalink fedilink source parent [+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tavarin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago actually Hamas murders anyone who goes against them Well that would result in them having overwhelming support, among the survivors that is. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, democracy exists until we don't like it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Venezuela for starters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Venezuela is literally in the middle of an election year. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) There is also the West Bank, however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) The West Bank has now been all but annexed by Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago Unfortunately permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago Yes, though most of the stuff is about Gaza permalink fedilink source parent [–] guacupado@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago They're the same picture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlowNoPoPo@lemm.ee 33 points 2 years ago (5 children) I was about to say, who's out there supporting hamas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) The tankies are all over it, actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago It’s crazy because I’m pretty sure a lot of them would be considered “undesirables” in the societies they claim to want to live in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago That’s it. I’m never voting for a tankie again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Bro like literally 90% of Lemmy has a throbbing boner for Hamas and his stated antisemitic terrorists, even in this thread, terrorists apologizers abound permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Weird that as a Jew who is pretty damn sensitive to antisemitism since I faced a lot of it growing up in religious Indiana, I haven't noticed this support for antisemitic terrorists on Lemmy. I've seen a lot of support for innocent people being slaughtered because of Israel's response to antisemitic terrorists, but that's a separate issue. People in the U.S. protested the war in Afghanistan. Does that mean they supported Al Qaeda? Because this is some real "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists" thinking from my perspective. permalink fedilink source parent [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago You've not been in these threads for very long, have you? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago Tankies? The same people supporting Russia, China, and other brutalist regimes... permalink fedilink source parent [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago You’d be surprised, they’re out there permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) The tankies are all over it, actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago It’s crazy because I’m pretty sure a lot of them would be considered “undesirables” in the societies they claim to want to live in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago That’s it. I’m never voting for a tankie again. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago It’s crazy because I’m pretty sure a lot of them would be considered “undesirables” in the societies they claim to want to live in. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago It’s crazy because I’m pretty sure a lot of them would be considered “undesirables” in the societies they claim to want to live in. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago That’s it. I’m never voting for a tankie again. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Bro like literally 90% of Lemmy has a throbbing boner for Hamas and his stated antisemitic terrorists, even in this thread, terrorists apologizers abound permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Weird that as a Jew who is pretty damn sensitive to antisemitism since I faced a lot of it growing up in religious Indiana, I haven't noticed this support for antisemitic terrorists on Lemmy. I've seen a lot of support for innocent people being slaughtered because of Israel's response to antisemitic terrorists, but that's a separate issue. People in the U.S. protested the war in Afghanistan. Does that mean they supported Al Qaeda? Because this is some real "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists" thinking from my perspective. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Weird that as a Jew who is pretty damn sensitive to antisemitism since I faced a lot of it growing up in religious Indiana, I haven't noticed this support for antisemitic terrorists on Lemmy. I've seen a lot of support for innocent people being slaughtered because of Israel's response to antisemitic terrorists, but that's a separate issue. People in the U.S. protested the war in Afghanistan. Does that mean they supported Al Qaeda? Because this is some real "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists" thinking from my perspective. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago You've not been in these threads for very long, have you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago Tankies? The same people supporting Russia, China, and other brutalist regimes... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago You’d be surprised, they’re out there permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago (3 children) Considering Hamas is the organization governing Gaza right now, the two are often intertwined in these discussions permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SlowNoPoPo@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (2 children) Governing is a generous term permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Under any solution (one or two state), Hamas will be the ones in power and representing the Palestinian block. Doesn't matter if they do a good job of it or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) How do you figure? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are the de facto (and kind of de jure...) government of Gaza. Hell, they run the Health Ministry that provides a lot of the updates. If this somehow ends with anything short of further subjugation and/or eradication, they will be "heroes". And they aren't going to lessen their hold on the Palestinian people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They were also very unpopular before Oct 7 and I doubt they've gotten any more popular since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Popularity doesn't really matter when they were, and are, the power in charge in Gaza. And "popularity" will go through the roof if, somehow, they are the ones that get the Israeli Government to stop being genocidal dicks and actually make concessions... by raping and murdering Israeli, German, and UK citizens? permalink fedilink source parent [+] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel controls the borders how can Hamas do this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes Egypt also doesn't exists permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago it really is amazing how all the Hamas supporters simply refuse to acknowledge this one simple fact permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) It seems to me that Hamas "governs" Palestine the same way groups like the Mafia or Yakuza "govern" the people they extort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (3 children) Didn't the Palestinian people vote them in? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 17 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Almost 20 years ago, when the majority of Palestinians alive today were either too young to vote or hadn't even been born. How long after an election do you assume elected leaders have any real mandate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point was that regardless of their ability to do it, they were at one time the elected officials of the geographic location known as Gaza. They're obviously not a real government in policy and action, but they're the only thing that exists to even bear the term or concept of governance in the area. There is no other group to be considered as the government, no matter how awful Hamas is at being a government of any variety. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago At one time, yes, but I don't think we should be holding the Palestinians today to that. That would be like the Dubya era. If he had kept office until now, he would certainly not represent the opinion of Americans. Hamas is embedded like a parasite, but there's better ways to point this out. permalink fedilink source parent [+] guacupado@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) How long before you expect a population to be responsible for their country? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SmoothIsFast@citizensgaming.com 6 points 2 years ago I don't blame North Koreans for being in a dictatorship, why would I blame Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago* When their "leaders" don't represent them? Never. Same reason I don't hate on Israelis. permalink fedilink source parent [+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tavarin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago actually Hamas murders anyone who goes against them Well that would result in them having overwhelming support, among the survivors that is. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, democracy exists until we don't like it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Venezuela for starters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Venezuela is literally in the middle of an election year. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) There is also the West Bank, however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) The West Bank has now been all but annexed by Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago Unfortunately permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago Yes, though most of the stuff is about Gaza permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlowNoPoPo@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (2 children) Governing is a generous term permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Under any solution (one or two state), Hamas will be the ones in power and representing the Palestinian block. Doesn't matter if they do a good job of it or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) How do you figure? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are the de facto (and kind of de jure...) government of Gaza. Hell, they run the Health Ministry that provides a lot of the updates. If this somehow ends with anything short of further subjugation and/or eradication, they will be "heroes". And they aren't going to lessen their hold on the Palestinian people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They were also very unpopular before Oct 7 and I doubt they've gotten any more popular since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Popularity doesn't really matter when they were, and are, the power in charge in Gaza. And "popularity" will go through the roof if, somehow, they are the ones that get the Israeli Government to stop being genocidal dicks and actually make concessions... by raping and murdering Israeli, German, and UK citizens? permalink fedilink source parent [+] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel controls the borders how can Hamas do this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes Egypt also doesn't exists permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago it really is amazing how all the Hamas supporters simply refuse to acknowledge this one simple fact permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Under any solution (one or two state), Hamas will be the ones in power and representing the Palestinian block. Doesn't matter if they do a good job of it or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) How do you figure? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are the de facto (and kind of de jure...) government of Gaza. Hell, they run the Health Ministry that provides a lot of the updates. If this somehow ends with anything short of further subjugation and/or eradication, they will be "heroes". And they aren't going to lessen their hold on the Palestinian people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They were also very unpopular before Oct 7 and I doubt they've gotten any more popular since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Popularity doesn't really matter when they were, and are, the power in charge in Gaza. And "popularity" will go through the roof if, somehow, they are the ones that get the Israeli Government to stop being genocidal dicks and actually make concessions... by raping and murdering Israeli, German, and UK citizens? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) How do you figure? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are the de facto (and kind of de jure...) government of Gaza. Hell, they run the Health Ministry that provides a lot of the updates. If this somehow ends with anything short of further subjugation and/or eradication, they will be "heroes". And they aren't going to lessen their hold on the Palestinian people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They were also very unpopular before Oct 7 and I doubt they've gotten any more popular since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Popularity doesn't really matter when they were, and are, the power in charge in Gaza. And "popularity" will go through the roof if, somehow, they are the ones that get the Israeli Government to stop being genocidal dicks and actually make concessions... by raping and murdering Israeli, German, and UK citizens? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are the de facto (and kind of de jure...) government of Gaza. Hell, they run the Health Ministry that provides a lot of the updates. If this somehow ends with anything short of further subjugation and/or eradication, they will be "heroes". And they aren't going to lessen their hold on the Palestinian people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They were also very unpopular before Oct 7 and I doubt they've gotten any more popular since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Popularity doesn't really matter when they were, and are, the power in charge in Gaza. And "popularity" will go through the roof if, somehow, they are the ones that get the Israeli Government to stop being genocidal dicks and actually make concessions... by raping and murdering Israeli, German, and UK citizens? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They were also very unpopular before Oct 7 and I doubt they've gotten any more popular since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Popularity doesn't really matter when they were, and are, the power in charge in Gaza. And "popularity" will go through the roof if, somehow, they are the ones that get the Israeli Government to stop being genocidal dicks and actually make concessions... by raping and murdering Israeli, German, and UK citizens? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Popularity doesn't really matter when they were, and are, the power in charge in Gaza. And "popularity" will go through the roof if, somehow, they are the ones that get the Israeli Government to stop being genocidal dicks and actually make concessions... by raping and murdering Israeli, German, and UK citizens? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel controls the borders how can Hamas do this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes Egypt also doesn't exists permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago it really is amazing how all the Hamas supporters simply refuse to acknowledge this one simple fact permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes Egypt also doesn't exists permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago it really is amazing how all the Hamas supporters simply refuse to acknowledge this one simple fact permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago it really is amazing how all the Hamas supporters simply refuse to acknowledge this one simple fact permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) It seems to me that Hamas "governs" Palestine the same way groups like the Mafia or Yakuza "govern" the people they extort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (3 children) Didn't the Palestinian people vote them in? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 17 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Almost 20 years ago, when the majority of Palestinians alive today were either too young to vote or hadn't even been born. How long after an election do you assume elected leaders have any real mandate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point was that regardless of their ability to do it, they were at one time the elected officials of the geographic location known as Gaza. They're obviously not a real government in policy and action, but they're the only thing that exists to even bear the term or concept of governance in the area. There is no other group to be considered as the government, no matter how awful Hamas is at being a government of any variety. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago At one time, yes, but I don't think we should be holding the Palestinians today to that. That would be like the Dubya era. If he had kept office until now, he would certainly not represent the opinion of Americans. Hamas is embedded like a parasite, but there's better ways to point this out. permalink fedilink source parent [+] guacupado@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) How long before you expect a population to be responsible for their country? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SmoothIsFast@citizensgaming.com 6 points 2 years ago I don't blame North Koreans for being in a dictatorship, why would I blame Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago* When their "leaders" don't represent them? Never. Same reason I don't hate on Israelis. permalink fedilink source parent [+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tavarin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago actually Hamas murders anyone who goes against them Well that would result in them having overwhelming support, among the survivors that is. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, democracy exists until we don't like it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Venezuela for starters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Venezuela is literally in the middle of an election year. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (3 children) Didn't the Palestinian people vote them in? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 17 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Almost 20 years ago, when the majority of Palestinians alive today were either too young to vote or hadn't even been born. How long after an election do you assume elected leaders have any real mandate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point was that regardless of their ability to do it, they were at one time the elected officials of the geographic location known as Gaza. They're obviously not a real government in policy and action, but they're the only thing that exists to even bear the term or concept of governance in the area. There is no other group to be considered as the government, no matter how awful Hamas is at being a government of any variety. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago At one time, yes, but I don't think we should be holding the Palestinians today to that. That would be like the Dubya era. If he had kept office until now, he would certainly not represent the opinion of Americans. Hamas is embedded like a parasite, but there's better ways to point this out. permalink fedilink source parent [+] guacupado@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) How long before you expect a population to be responsible for their country? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SmoothIsFast@citizensgaming.com 6 points 2 years ago I don't blame North Koreans for being in a dictatorship, why would I blame Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago* When their "leaders" don't represent them? Never. Same reason I don't hate on Israelis. permalink fedilink source parent [+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tavarin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago actually Hamas murders anyone who goes against them Well that would result in them having overwhelming support, among the survivors that is. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, democracy exists until we don't like it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Venezuela for starters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Venezuela is literally in the middle of an election year. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 17 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Almost 20 years ago, when the majority of Palestinians alive today were either too young to vote or hadn't even been born. How long after an election do you assume elected leaders have any real mandate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point was that regardless of their ability to do it, they were at one time the elected officials of the geographic location known as Gaza. They're obviously not a real government in policy and action, but they're the only thing that exists to even bear the term or concept of governance in the area. There is no other group to be considered as the government, no matter how awful Hamas is at being a government of any variety. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago At one time, yes, but I don't think we should be holding the Palestinians today to that. That would be like the Dubya era. If he had kept office until now, he would certainly not represent the opinion of Americans. Hamas is embedded like a parasite, but there's better ways to point this out. permalink fedilink source parent [+] guacupado@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) How long before you expect a population to be responsible for their country? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SmoothIsFast@citizensgaming.com 6 points 2 years ago I don't blame North Koreans for being in a dictatorship, why would I blame Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago* When their "leaders" don't represent them? Never. Same reason I don't hate on Israelis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point was that regardless of their ability to do it, they were at one time the elected officials of the geographic location known as Gaza. They're obviously not a real government in policy and action, but they're the only thing that exists to even bear the term or concept of governance in the area. There is no other group to be considered as the government, no matter how awful Hamas is at being a government of any variety. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago At one time, yes, but I don't think we should be holding the Palestinians today to that. That would be like the Dubya era. If he had kept office until now, he would certainly not represent the opinion of Americans. Hamas is embedded like a parasite, but there's better ways to point this out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago At one time, yes, but I don't think we should be holding the Palestinians today to that. That would be like the Dubya era. If he had kept office until now, he would certainly not represent the opinion of Americans. Hamas is embedded like a parasite, but there's better ways to point this out. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] guacupado@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) How long before you expect a population to be responsible for their country? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SmoothIsFast@citizensgaming.com 6 points 2 years ago I don't blame North Koreans for being in a dictatorship, why would I blame Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago* When their "leaders" don't represent them? Never. Same reason I don't hate on Israelis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SmoothIsFast@citizensgaming.com 6 points 2 years ago I don't blame North Koreans for being in a dictatorship, why would I blame Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago* When their "leaders" don't represent them? Never. Same reason I don't hate on Israelis. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tavarin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago actually Hamas murders anyone who goes against them Well that would result in them having overwhelming support, among the survivors that is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tavarin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago actually Hamas murders anyone who goes against them Well that would result in them having overwhelming support, among the survivors that is. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, democracy exists until we don't like it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Venezuela for starters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Venezuela is literally in the middle of an election year. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Venezuela for starters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Venezuela is literally in the middle of an election year. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Venezuela for starters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Venezuela is literally in the middle of an election year. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Venezuela is literally in the middle of an election year. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) There is also the West Bank, however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) The West Bank has now been all but annexed by Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago Unfortunately permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago Yes, though most of the stuff is about Gaza permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) The West Bank has now been all but annexed by Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago Unfortunately permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago Yes, though most of the stuff is about Gaza permalink fedilink source parent
[–] guacupado@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago They're the same picture. permalink fedilink source parent