▲ 900 ▼ Conservative groups sue to block Biden plan canceling $39 billion in student loans (apnews.com) submitted 3 years ago by GiddyGap@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 188 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 14 points 3 years ago (2 children) Because the corporations that own the private colleges and universities that overcharge on tuition also are the ones that hand out student loans. They stand to lose billions of dollars in predatory profit if they can't collect interest on student loans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago If only there were some loopholes to close and a way to take a little cash from assets that never ever get sold… permalink fedilink source parent [–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah I see a lot of "cruelty is the point" comments here, which might not be entirely false, but if they sue it mostly means someone is pissed off about losing revenue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) The cruelty isn't the only point behind every conservative position, but it's the only point of enough of them to make me suspect it's part of the motivation for all of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's never the point. That's just lazy reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Really? Not for anti-trans laws, anti-immigrant laws, and laws that specifically target medically necessary abortions? Of course it's the point. If looking at the laws they vote for isn't good enough, all you have to do is talk to a few conservatives to figure out they're hateful, cruel people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) You may see them as hateful and cruel people, but that's not how they see themselves. They would have to see themselves as cruel for cruelty to be the point. The fact that you think it's the point means that you're unwilling or unable to actually understand their point of view. You may disagree with it, but it's not about "cruelty", and pretending it is just shows your personal limitations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) If course they don't see themselves as hateful. But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea of the proper social order. If you want to be very literal, the cruelty is the means to an end and not an end in itself, but when they use cruelty as a first resort to enforce rules to designed to keep undesirable people in their place, I see it as a distinction without a difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea So, you agree that cruelty isn't the point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago If only there were some loopholes to close and a way to take a little cash from assets that never ever get sold… permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah I see a lot of "cruelty is the point" comments here, which might not be entirely false, but if they sue it mostly means someone is pissed off about losing revenue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) The cruelty isn't the only point behind every conservative position, but it's the only point of enough of them to make me suspect it's part of the motivation for all of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's never the point. That's just lazy reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Really? Not for anti-trans laws, anti-immigrant laws, and laws that specifically target medically necessary abortions? Of course it's the point. If looking at the laws they vote for isn't good enough, all you have to do is talk to a few conservatives to figure out they're hateful, cruel people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) You may see them as hateful and cruel people, but that's not how they see themselves. They would have to see themselves as cruel for cruelty to be the point. The fact that you think it's the point means that you're unwilling or unable to actually understand their point of view. You may disagree with it, but it's not about "cruelty", and pretending it is just shows your personal limitations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) If course they don't see themselves as hateful. But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea of the proper social order. If you want to be very literal, the cruelty is the means to an end and not an end in itself, but when they use cruelty as a first resort to enforce rules to designed to keep undesirable people in their place, I see it as a distinction without a difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea So, you agree that cruelty isn't the point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) The cruelty isn't the only point behind every conservative position, but it's the only point of enough of them to make me suspect it's part of the motivation for all of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's never the point. That's just lazy reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Really? Not for anti-trans laws, anti-immigrant laws, and laws that specifically target medically necessary abortions? Of course it's the point. If looking at the laws they vote for isn't good enough, all you have to do is talk to a few conservatives to figure out they're hateful, cruel people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) You may see them as hateful and cruel people, but that's not how they see themselves. They would have to see themselves as cruel for cruelty to be the point. The fact that you think it's the point means that you're unwilling or unable to actually understand their point of view. You may disagree with it, but it's not about "cruelty", and pretending it is just shows your personal limitations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) If course they don't see themselves as hateful. But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea of the proper social order. If you want to be very literal, the cruelty is the means to an end and not an end in itself, but when they use cruelty as a first resort to enforce rules to designed to keep undesirable people in their place, I see it as a distinction without a difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea So, you agree that cruelty isn't the point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's never the point. That's just lazy reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Really? Not for anti-trans laws, anti-immigrant laws, and laws that specifically target medically necessary abortions? Of course it's the point. If looking at the laws they vote for isn't good enough, all you have to do is talk to a few conservatives to figure out they're hateful, cruel people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) You may see them as hateful and cruel people, but that's not how they see themselves. They would have to see themselves as cruel for cruelty to be the point. The fact that you think it's the point means that you're unwilling or unable to actually understand their point of view. You may disagree with it, but it's not about "cruelty", and pretending it is just shows your personal limitations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) If course they don't see themselves as hateful. But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea of the proper social order. If you want to be very literal, the cruelty is the means to an end and not an end in itself, but when they use cruelty as a first resort to enforce rules to designed to keep undesirable people in their place, I see it as a distinction without a difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea So, you agree that cruelty isn't the point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Really? Not for anti-trans laws, anti-immigrant laws, and laws that specifically target medically necessary abortions? Of course it's the point. If looking at the laws they vote for isn't good enough, all you have to do is talk to a few conservatives to figure out they're hateful, cruel people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) You may see them as hateful and cruel people, but that's not how they see themselves. They would have to see themselves as cruel for cruelty to be the point. The fact that you think it's the point means that you're unwilling or unable to actually understand their point of view. You may disagree with it, but it's not about "cruelty", and pretending it is just shows your personal limitations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) If course they don't see themselves as hateful. But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea of the proper social order. If you want to be very literal, the cruelty is the means to an end and not an end in itself, but when they use cruelty as a first resort to enforce rules to designed to keep undesirable people in their place, I see it as a distinction without a difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea So, you agree that cruelty isn't the point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) You may see them as hateful and cruel people, but that's not how they see themselves. They would have to see themselves as cruel for cruelty to be the point. The fact that you think it's the point means that you're unwilling or unable to actually understand their point of view. You may disagree with it, but it's not about "cruelty", and pretending it is just shows your personal limitations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) If course they don't see themselves as hateful. But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea of the proper social order. If you want to be very literal, the cruelty is the means to an end and not an end in itself, but when they use cruelty as a first resort to enforce rules to designed to keep undesirable people in their place, I see it as a distinction without a difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea So, you agree that cruelty isn't the point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) If course they don't see themselves as hateful. But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea of the proper social order. If you want to be very literal, the cruelty is the means to an end and not an end in itself, but when they use cruelty as a first resort to enforce rules to designed to keep undesirable people in their place, I see it as a distinction without a difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea So, you agree that cruelty isn't the point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea So, you agree that cruelty isn't the point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent