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Conservative groups sue to block Biden plan canceling $39 billion in student loans (apnews.com)
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[–] 329 points 3 years ago (14 children)

Why are these assholes so against helping people? These fuckers are nothing but greedy sociopaths.

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  • [–] 196 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    conservatives view social hierarchy as a necessity which must be enforced. if you’re at the bottom, you deserve to be there, and if you’re there, you suffer because you deserve it, and because you’re at the bottom, you deserve to suffer. cruelty is the point, and without it, there can’t be the joy of their success.

    anything else, to them, is profane and must be fought/destroyed. anyone who tries to climb above their position must be punished.

    relevant videos:

    The Alt-Right Playbook: Always a Bigger Fish

    Endnote 3: The Origins of Conservatism

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  • [–] 38 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    The only thing baffling about any of this is that somehow, millions of ordinary, working/middle-class Americans believe that this system benefits them more than the alternative.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    it's not baffling at all. the American dream is literally everyone is a millionaire or will be one day. conservatives are the only ones buying into that dream still so they're trying to live like a millionaire now so that when the money finally shows up they've done their part to help their new millionaire friends along the way.

    The problem is they don't understand that the likelihood of them becoming even moderately wealthy is pretty slim and they're too blind to see that voting to hurt the poor is voting to hurt themselves in their current situation.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    When I was growing up, at least the way I was taught (and I was only born in 1977), the American Dream was a steady paycheck, a house and a car. Did that change at some point or was I taught something other than what people actually believed?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    As someone also born in '77 I generally heard the same things and the same sentiment. Though I think that might have more to do with family and the general class you grew up in. Because it isn't Universal unfortunately. Nor can capitalism deliver on it.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    But voting another way will result in my children being accosted by drag queens who will turn them gay / trans and my freedoms will be co-opted by shitty beer companies who don't believe in Christ. Then my enemies will take my guns and my elderly parents will be shipped off to a commie gulag and murdered to make room for more whatever whatever whatever… I ran out of tropes. Hopefully, you don't need me to punctuate that this is sarcasm.

    These are the things that they think about obsessively. They aren't thinking about how to make the world a better place. They're thinking about the things they hate and fear.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I've always regarded that episode of the playbook as especially astute.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Thank you for the links. They were very enlightening.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 64 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    "I'm not getting debt relief, so why should they" is their only argument. They're just greedy.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I don't need student debt relief, it won't affect me. But I am extremely for it - it's called wanting a better life for your fellow human being.

    Compassion - it's not a difficult concept if you're not a narcissistic a$$hole.

    And as an added bonus, the money currently going to banks would actually get better distributed to businesses (both big and small) and act as a net gain to our economy. But screw that - we don't want some bank stocks to dip and affect some wealthy pension plans! /s

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  • [+] 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago

    They've become so focused on political "points" and afraid of the other "team" scoring a "point" that they're willing to do anything, regardless of the optics.

    Because they don't stop and look at the bigger picture - it's just political capital they can push around or dangle as a carrot in front of voters for future elections.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Wilholt's law, "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

    Aka, "you're not hurting the right people"

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”

    ― John Kenneth Galbraith

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Sounds like libertarianism TBH.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Two sides of the same coin these days.

    Conservatives seem to mostly be libertarians that have realised they can use single-issue voter, crazy church shit to get themselves elected.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago*

    They're libertarians when it comes to them being able to do whatever they want, and they're fascists when it comes to things they don't want to do. Has actually nothing to do with political philosophy, it's just naked short-term self interest. (They don't even care if something will be bad for them in a few years.)

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    Because the corporations that own the private colleges and universities that overcharge on tuition also are the ones that hand out student loans.

    They stand to lose billions of dollars in predatory profit if they can't collect interest on student loans.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago

    Simple answer I think is GOP don't want anyone in their base to think any form of government assistance is good and will always label it as hand outs. More government assistance/social safety nets means their capitalist overlords gets to maintain and build their control over citizens and money will flow to them instead. Also "liberals bad!"

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