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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's never the point. That's just lazy reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Really? Not for anti-trans laws, anti-immigrant laws, and laws that specifically target medically necessary abortions? Of course it's the point. If looking at the laws they vote for isn't good enough, all you have to do is talk to a few conservatives to figure out they're hateful, cruel people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) You may see them as hateful and cruel people, but that's not how they see themselves. They would have to see themselves as cruel for cruelty to be the point. The fact that you think it's the point means that you're unwilling or unable to actually understand their point of view. You may disagree with it, but it's not about "cruelty", and pretending it is just shows your personal limitations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) If course they don't see themselves as hateful. But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea of the proper social order. If you want to be very literal, the cruelty is the means to an end and not an end in itself, but when they use cruelty as a first resort to enforce rules to designed to keep undesirable people in their place, I see it as a distinction without a difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea So, you agree that cruelty isn't the point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Really? Not for anti-trans laws, anti-immigrant laws, and laws that specifically target medically necessary abortions? Of course it's the point. If looking at the laws they vote for isn't good enough, all you have to do is talk to a few conservatives to figure out they're hateful, cruel people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) You may see them as hateful and cruel people, but that's not how they see themselves. They would have to see themselves as cruel for cruelty to be the point. The fact that you think it's the point means that you're unwilling or unable to actually understand their point of view. You may disagree with it, but it's not about "cruelty", and pretending it is just shows your personal limitations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) If course they don't see themselves as hateful. But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea of the proper social order. If you want to be very literal, the cruelty is the means to an end and not an end in itself, but when they use cruelty as a first resort to enforce rules to designed to keep undesirable people in their place, I see it as a distinction without a difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea So, you agree that cruelty isn't the point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) You may see them as hateful and cruel people, but that's not how they see themselves. They would have to see themselves as cruel for cruelty to be the point. The fact that you think it's the point means that you're unwilling or unable to actually understand their point of view. You may disagree with it, but it's not about "cruelty", and pretending it is just shows your personal limitations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) If course they don't see themselves as hateful. But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea of the proper social order. If you want to be very literal, the cruelty is the means to an end and not an end in itself, but when they use cruelty as a first resort to enforce rules to designed to keep undesirable people in their place, I see it as a distinction without a difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea So, you agree that cruelty isn't the point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) If course they don't see themselves as hateful. But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea of the proper social order. If you want to be very literal, the cruelty is the means to an end and not an end in itself, but when they use cruelty as a first resort to enforce rules to designed to keep undesirable people in their place, I see it as a distinction without a difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea So, you agree that cruelty isn't the point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea So, you agree that cruelty isn't the point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Did I not say that already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago You seem to be saying the opposite: The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them permalink fedilink source parent