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[+] lowleveldata@programming.dev -10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Why don't you just say there are lots of women? Your comment is both transphobic and anti-feminist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago* (2 children) cis women aren't as hurt by misgendering. not transphobic, just aware. not anti-feminist, they're advocating for gender neutral language. holster your shit lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago cis women aren't as hurt by misgendering Nice generalization. permalink fedilink source parent [+] lowleveldata@programming.dev -10 points 2 years ago (3 children) That's implying trans women are less stable and easier to hurt because they are trans. That's transphobic. Assuming cis women don't get hurt by misgendering is sexist at best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Homie I work in mental health and recognizing a trigger is not a force of systemic oppression, it's a courtesy. Pretending everything is hunky dory and no one has differing needs or experiences is the "i dont see color" equivalent of gender. why would cis women even have that trigger?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] braxy29@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) try talking to some ciswomen and find out if misgendering hurts. spoiler - it does. edit - fwiw, i keep hearing that lemmy is friendlier than reddit. this doesn't align with my experience so far, it's the same hateful shit as always. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago I'm not saying it doesnt, even in my original post I said they aren't "AS" hurt. Why not try giving a "sir" to 100 trans women and 100 cis women and see how the reactions differ? The way I understand it, you're saying there wont be any difference in reaction. That's naive. It's a trigger! Just like how I can get uncomfortable when someone talks about s.assault but it isn't a trigger for me. If I'm in a group session with people recovering from trauma, I'm going to be very careful talking about SA but if I'm with colleagues I might speak more directly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think you're so damn clever for appropriating the inclusive folks' argument and trying to throw it back at them, but you really aren't. We can all see you for the dishonest concern troll that you are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lowleveldata@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just find it unsettling that those comments only seems to care about the trans. Yeah, no shit: that's because cis people are cared about by default. Nobody needs you white-knighting for the already-advantaged. But we both know you already knew that. I'm continuing to not buy your dishonest concern-trolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lowleveldata@programming.dev -3 points 2 years ago ok? You're free to not buy what you don't want to permalink fedilink source parent [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not endorsing what PsychedSy is saying (esp in the replies), but I am calling you out for saying that being aware of differing needs of trans people is transphobic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lowleveldata@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago That's fair. There is something uncomfortable about saying that trans women are on average more unstable. But I think that's more about the word choice "unstable" where I would frame it more neutrally like "different needs". I guess "unstable" sounds like it's their fault/failing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago Let me help. Trans women are (on average) less stable and easier to hurt. We done here? permalink fedilink source parent [–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Nah. Ignoring blahaj won't help. Soz, bitch. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago* (2 children) cis women aren't as hurt by misgendering. not transphobic, just aware. not anti-feminist, they're advocating for gender neutral language. holster your shit lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago cis women aren't as hurt by misgendering Nice generalization. permalink fedilink source parent [+] lowleveldata@programming.dev -10 points 2 years ago (3 children) That's implying trans women are less stable and easier to hurt because they are trans. That's transphobic. Assuming cis women don't get hurt by misgendering is sexist at best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Homie I work in mental health and recognizing a trigger is not a force of systemic oppression, it's a courtesy. Pretending everything is hunky dory and no one has differing needs or experiences is the "i dont see color" equivalent of gender. why would cis women even have that trigger?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] braxy29@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) try talking to some ciswomen and find out if misgendering hurts. spoiler - it does. edit - fwiw, i keep hearing that lemmy is friendlier than reddit. this doesn't align with my experience so far, it's the same hateful shit as always. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago I'm not saying it doesnt, even in my original post I said they aren't "AS" hurt. Why not try giving a "sir" to 100 trans women and 100 cis women and see how the reactions differ? The way I understand it, you're saying there wont be any difference in reaction. That's naive. It's a trigger! Just like how I can get uncomfortable when someone talks about s.assault but it isn't a trigger for me. If I'm in a group session with people recovering from trauma, I'm going to be very careful talking about SA but if I'm with colleagues I might speak more directly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think you're so damn clever for appropriating the inclusive folks' argument and trying to throw it back at them, but you really aren't. We can all see you for the dishonest concern troll that you are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lowleveldata@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just find it unsettling that those comments only seems to care about the trans. Yeah, no shit: that's because cis people are cared about by default. Nobody needs you white-knighting for the already-advantaged. But we both know you already knew that. I'm continuing to not buy your dishonest concern-trolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lowleveldata@programming.dev -3 points 2 years ago ok? You're free to not buy what you don't want to permalink fedilink source parent [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not endorsing what PsychedSy is saying (esp in the replies), but I am calling you out for saying that being aware of differing needs of trans people is transphobic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lowleveldata@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago That's fair. There is something uncomfortable about saying that trans women are on average more unstable. But I think that's more about the word choice "unstable" where I would frame it more neutrally like "different needs". I guess "unstable" sounds like it's their fault/failing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago Let me help. Trans women are (on average) less stable and easier to hurt. We done here? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago cis women aren't as hurt by misgendering Nice generalization. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] lowleveldata@programming.dev -10 points 2 years ago (3 children) That's implying trans women are less stable and easier to hurt because they are trans. That's transphobic. Assuming cis women don't get hurt by misgendering is sexist at best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Homie I work in mental health and recognizing a trigger is not a force of systemic oppression, it's a courtesy. Pretending everything is hunky dory and no one has differing needs or experiences is the "i dont see color" equivalent of gender. why would cis women even have that trigger?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] braxy29@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) try talking to some ciswomen and find out if misgendering hurts. spoiler - it does. edit - fwiw, i keep hearing that lemmy is friendlier than reddit. this doesn't align with my experience so far, it's the same hateful shit as always. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago I'm not saying it doesnt, even in my original post I said they aren't "AS" hurt. Why not try giving a "sir" to 100 trans women and 100 cis women and see how the reactions differ? The way I understand it, you're saying there wont be any difference in reaction. That's naive. It's a trigger! Just like how I can get uncomfortable when someone talks about s.assault but it isn't a trigger for me. If I'm in a group session with people recovering from trauma, I'm going to be very careful talking about SA but if I'm with colleagues I might speak more directly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think you're so damn clever for appropriating the inclusive folks' argument and trying to throw it back at them, but you really aren't. We can all see you for the dishonest concern troll that you are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lowleveldata@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just find it unsettling that those comments only seems to care about the trans. Yeah, no shit: that's because cis people are cared about by default. Nobody needs you white-knighting for the already-advantaged. But we both know you already knew that. I'm continuing to not buy your dishonest concern-trolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lowleveldata@programming.dev -3 points 2 years ago ok? You're free to not buy what you don't want to permalink fedilink source parent [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not endorsing what PsychedSy is saying (esp in the replies), but I am calling you out for saying that being aware of differing needs of trans people is transphobic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lowleveldata@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago That's fair. There is something uncomfortable about saying that trans women are on average more unstable. But I think that's more about the word choice "unstable" where I would frame it more neutrally like "different needs". I guess "unstable" sounds like it's their fault/failing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago Let me help. Trans women are (on average) less stable and easier to hurt. We done here? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Homie I work in mental health and recognizing a trigger is not a force of systemic oppression, it's a courtesy. Pretending everything is hunky dory and no one has differing needs or experiences is the "i dont see color" equivalent of gender. why would cis women even have that trigger?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] braxy29@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) try talking to some ciswomen and find out if misgendering hurts. spoiler - it does. edit - fwiw, i keep hearing that lemmy is friendlier than reddit. this doesn't align with my experience so far, it's the same hateful shit as always. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago I'm not saying it doesnt, even in my original post I said they aren't "AS" hurt. Why not try giving a "sir" to 100 trans women and 100 cis women and see how the reactions differ? The way I understand it, you're saying there wont be any difference in reaction. That's naive. It's a trigger! Just like how I can get uncomfortable when someone talks about s.assault but it isn't a trigger for me. If I'm in a group session with people recovering from trauma, I'm going to be very careful talking about SA but if I'm with colleagues I might speak more directly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] braxy29@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) try talking to some ciswomen and find out if misgendering hurts. spoiler - it does. edit - fwiw, i keep hearing that lemmy is friendlier than reddit. this doesn't align with my experience so far, it's the same hateful shit as always. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago I'm not saying it doesnt, even in my original post I said they aren't "AS" hurt. Why not try giving a "sir" to 100 trans women and 100 cis women and see how the reactions differ? The way I understand it, you're saying there wont be any difference in reaction. That's naive. It's a trigger! Just like how I can get uncomfortable when someone talks about s.assault but it isn't a trigger for me. If I'm in a group session with people recovering from trauma, I'm going to be very careful talking about SA but if I'm with colleagues I might speak more directly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago I'm not saying it doesnt, even in my original post I said they aren't "AS" hurt. Why not try giving a "sir" to 100 trans women and 100 cis women and see how the reactions differ? The way I understand it, you're saying there wont be any difference in reaction. That's naive. It's a trigger! Just like how I can get uncomfortable when someone talks about s.assault but it isn't a trigger for me. If I'm in a group session with people recovering from trauma, I'm going to be very careful talking about SA but if I'm with colleagues I might speak more directly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think you're so damn clever for appropriating the inclusive folks' argument and trying to throw it back at them, but you really aren't. We can all see you for the dishonest concern troll that you are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lowleveldata@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just find it unsettling that those comments only seems to care about the trans. Yeah, no shit: that's because cis people are cared about by default. Nobody needs you white-knighting for the already-advantaged. But we both know you already knew that. I'm continuing to not buy your dishonest concern-trolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lowleveldata@programming.dev -3 points 2 years ago ok? You're free to not buy what you don't want to permalink fedilink source parent [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not endorsing what PsychedSy is saying (esp in the replies), but I am calling you out for saying that being aware of differing needs of trans people is transphobic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lowleveldata@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago That's fair. There is something uncomfortable about saying that trans women are on average more unstable. But I think that's more about the word choice "unstable" where I would frame it more neutrally like "different needs". I guess "unstable" sounds like it's their fault/failing. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] lowleveldata@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just find it unsettling that those comments only seems to care about the trans. Yeah, no shit: that's because cis people are cared about by default. Nobody needs you white-knighting for the already-advantaged. But we both know you already knew that. I'm continuing to not buy your dishonest concern-trolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lowleveldata@programming.dev -3 points 2 years ago ok? You're free to not buy what you don't want to permalink fedilink source parent [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not endorsing what PsychedSy is saying (esp in the replies), but I am calling you out for saying that being aware of differing needs of trans people is transphobic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lowleveldata@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago That's fair. There is something uncomfortable about saying that trans women are on average more unstable. But I think that's more about the word choice "unstable" where I would frame it more neutrally like "different needs". I guess "unstable" sounds like it's their fault/failing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just find it unsettling that those comments only seems to care about the trans. Yeah, no shit: that's because cis people are cared about by default. Nobody needs you white-knighting for the already-advantaged. But we both know you already knew that. I'm continuing to not buy your dishonest concern-trolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lowleveldata@programming.dev -3 points 2 years ago ok? You're free to not buy what you don't want to permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev -3 points 2 years ago ok? You're free to not buy what you don't want to permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not endorsing what PsychedSy is saying (esp in the replies), but I am calling you out for saying that being aware of differing needs of trans people is transphobic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lowleveldata@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago That's fair. There is something uncomfortable about saying that trans women are on average more unstable. But I think that's more about the word choice "unstable" where I would frame it more neutrally like "different needs". I guess "unstable" sounds like it's their fault/failing. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] lowleveldata@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago That's fair. There is something uncomfortable about saying that trans women are on average more unstable. But I think that's more about the word choice "unstable" where I would frame it more neutrally like "different needs". I guess "unstable" sounds like it's their fault/failing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago That's fair. There is something uncomfortable about saying that trans women are on average more unstable. But I think that's more about the word choice "unstable" where I would frame it more neutrally like "different needs". I guess "unstable" sounds like it's their fault/failing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago Let me help. Trans women are (on average) less stable and easier to hurt. We done here? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Nah. Ignoring blahaj won't help. Soz, bitch. permalink fedilink source parent
