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[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 205 points 2 years ago (3 children) Fuck YouTube permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago (2 children) I agree. YouTube can be very useful, but we really ought to be moving to other platforms at this point. Fuck YouTube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve been using YouTube far more than any of my paid services for years. However I’m ready for a switch. If the YouTubers who I follow switched platforms I’d go with them in a second. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Patrion and buying merchandise are the ways I support content creators. I’d rather make sure money goes directly to them and not to some corporation that will seize funds or cut off ad revenue at a whim with no real recourse. I understand the economics behind hosting videos, I also don’t use Adblock. YouTube has taken ads and unwanted content to a new level in the last year and they are driving away viewers. I refuse to support them with a subscription. If an ethical alternative pops up that has the creators I want I’d be happy to support it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago While buying merch, doing patreon, and other forms are commendable - we watch them on YouTube. Id get protesting the platform if they were making money hand over fist but we already know they don't make a profit on the platform. Ads and premium are just methods to staunch the bleeding. I understand the ads are intrusive and are getting worse but they've only amped them up to compensate for users who aren't served ads due to adblockers. I don't find it unethical to pay YouTube. They pay creators a fair percentage and overall are taking a loss. It's not greed, it's trying to stay afloat. Whether or not I support their policy changes, I'd like creators to survive off their work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Problem is hosting all the video. You either have one host or many (P2P). Both have issues. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) And both cost money, neither can exist if everyone circumvents the methods to make money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) YouTube defended their monopoly by running for free. They murdered the growth of legitimate competitions like Vimeo that had healthier business models... Because they didn't try to run for free. And now that they've saturated the market and killed off all of the serious competition it's time to profit Well, frankly, go fuck yourself. So long YouTube, and thanks for all the fish. 🐬 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Do you know why there are no good competitors to YouTube? It's fucking expensive. They have a monopoly but for what? They don't turn a profit. The losses they take on the platform are public knowledge because shockingly, hosting hundreds of TB of data being uploaded per minute isn't cheap. The only sites that even spit in their general direction is like, Pornhub and oh boy don't try to tell me that 'ad experience' is better Lol. Youtube has shit policies and even worse moderator decisions but it is widely a fucking charity and I think they have some right to turn it into a business instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That article is outdated. YouTube started to become profitable, but it took more than a decade to get there, so your point still stands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I look forward to the updated source you have on hand. They weren't profitable in 2009, weren't profitable in 2015, and the only things to change since then were Premium subscriptions and more ads. What could they have done to turn a profit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Typed "was google profitable in 2022". Took about 4 seconds. https://ippei.com/is-youtube-still-profitable/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/ Edit: as I'm not sure you'll look at the graphs. I want to point out that since 2015 the "what could they have done to turn a profit" question is answered in the graphs Users increased about 225% Revenue has increased 700-800% Its very profitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Revenue Unfortunately, revenue and profit are not synonyms. Revenue is money made before taxes and expenses. Yes, their revenue has increased because their userbase has increased. Users who are served advertisements. If users block advertisements, revenue decreases* while expenses increase due to more traffic and data storage required, reducing profit. Since YouTube doesn't flop their dick out on the table often, we don't know exact numbers for expenses but in 2015 when they did whip it out, it was at a loss. In your own link, the only methods it cites for Youtube 'profiting' are advertisements and premium. A userbase is only valuable if you can advertise to them, sell their data, or get them to pay a subscription. Revenue technically doesn't "decrease" in this instance but just fails to "increase" because advertisements aren't being served to users that otherwise would receive them. If enough people block ads, it widens the margin between cost and revenue which can lead to "negative profits" or a loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm well aware revenue and profit arent 1:1. You're "source" is a "Google person says they break even" in 2015. I give you graphs showing revenue growing at almost 4x the rate of users since 2015. Are they making 800% more profit, obviously not. But they sure as hell aren't losing money on YouTube anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* My guy.. Userbases increases come with increased traffic and the need for more data storage and bandwidth. We not only don't know what their expenses are but we can't even make a good guess. Your "graphs" show revenue. Stop pointing to them like they matter in any sense. They don't. 800% in REVENUE means nothing if expenses are 805%. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You literally just proved my point. It wasn't profitable. And it was free. It killed competition by losing money. And now, by your concession, they are turning it into a business. That's a fundamental change in the service. Fuck that. Either it was always their intent, in which case they were lying scum the whole time. Or it wasn't their intent and they've just decided spontaneously to prioritize profit, in which case it's greed and betrayal. Either way, fuck 'em. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago .. Yes. The strategy of expanding at a loss in order to recoup it later is a... business strategy. What? It's not even an underhanded one because it carries substantial risk. They ate losses and are now trying to collect on what users like you and I have been enjoying on their dime. Adblockers was to staunch the bleeding and clearly it's not working well enough so they're trying new ways. You're confusing greed with typical business practices. The grocery store isn't greedy, they're trying to keep the lights on and pay employees. This isn't "Walmart selling items at a loss until local businesses shut down and ramping them back up afterwards" - the data storage needed for this shit is beyond what most companies can do. Amazon with their AWS infrastructure is the only thing that has a shot in hell. The only reason Youtube can do it is by the sheer fact rich ass Google owns them. Businesses typically collect this thing called money to keep supplying the service you enjoy. Adblockers remove the very essential part of this exchange in which you pay for the thing you're using. You've been stealing groceries and are mad you're now being told to pay for them. My confusion is profound. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ronnie@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 years ago (4 children) For sure! Which video site are you using instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 66 points 2 years ago (1 child) Xhamster permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yoz@aussie.zone -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol don't search for this site permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dear lord there's peanuses permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WYLD_STALLYNS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago Peanuses… it sounds like a slang term for Charles Shultz worst nightmare, Peanuts porn 😂 permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) there are a few but they're all filled with right wing nutters and i doubt their ability to scale effectively permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zik@zorg.social 17 points 2 years ago (3 children) Nebula isn't full of right wing nutters as far as I know permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 years ago However, I am broke permalink fedilink source parent [–] SineSwiper@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nebula is a gated community, and they don't let enough people in. It is far from the definition of "You" Tube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zik@zorg.social 3 points 2 years ago On the other hand when you pay for a service you're the customer, not the product. That can be an advantage. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not sure nebula can be considered in the same class as youtube though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago You're right, it's much much higher permalink fedilink source parent [+] Wooki@lemmy.world -52 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Great case of nut job lefty derailing and politicising every topic possible including video platforms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Ok have fun on bitchute with the Nazis then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) wait what does bitbucket have to do with nazis? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] steltek@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dunno but it explains a lot about Atlassian's UX, doesn't it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Ah yes, the new blue that’s painful to look at unless you’re a true aryan developer permalink fedilink source parent [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Nothing, I meant bitchute lmao, my bad permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aux@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Lefties have brain deficiency. That's all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clb92@feddit.dk 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do you mean BitChute? Because Bitbucket is a Git repository solution from Atlassian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I did lmao, corrected it now permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago BitBucket? You mate are an idiot. I mean lefty. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago ignore the problem then. it's the same problem that killed voat permalink fedilink source parent [–] HKayn@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago* It's amusing to see how nobody is able to genuinely answer this question. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fades@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) yt.whateveritworks.org permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] villainy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago So... YouTube then permalink fedilink source parent [–] A2PKXG@feddit.de -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The reason while they have all the content, is precisely because they can generate revenue for channels. I much prefer payment through subcription and ad views to annoying in video sponsors and product placements permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hightrix@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) But on YouTube you get both. If I could pay and not get in video sponsorship along with no ads, then I might consider it. But I will not pay to be advertised at. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Sponsorblock is an extention which can help. It doesn't detract from the money the creator makes and you don't see ads for shit you dont want or can't afford. If you don't have premium and block ads though, you're definitely hurting the creator and platform as a whole. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kibiz0r@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Most creators that have in-video sponsors also have Patreons with sponsor-free feeds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago (2 children) I agree. YouTube can be very useful, but we really ought to be moving to other platforms at this point. Fuck YouTube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve been using YouTube far more than any of my paid services for years. However I’m ready for a switch. If the YouTubers who I follow switched platforms I’d go with them in a second. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Patrion and buying merchandise are the ways I support content creators. I’d rather make sure money goes directly to them and not to some corporation that will seize funds or cut off ad revenue at a whim with no real recourse. I understand the economics behind hosting videos, I also don’t use Adblock. YouTube has taken ads and unwanted content to a new level in the last year and they are driving away viewers. I refuse to support them with a subscription. If an ethical alternative pops up that has the creators I want I’d be happy to support it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago While buying merch, doing patreon, and other forms are commendable - we watch them on YouTube. Id get protesting the platform if they were making money hand over fist but we already know they don't make a profit on the platform. Ads and premium are just methods to staunch the bleeding. I understand the ads are intrusive and are getting worse but they've only amped them up to compensate for users who aren't served ads due to adblockers. I don't find it unethical to pay YouTube. They pay creators a fair percentage and overall are taking a loss. It's not greed, it's trying to stay afloat. Whether or not I support their policy changes, I'd like creators to survive off their work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Problem is hosting all the video. You either have one host or many (P2P). Both have issues. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) And both cost money, neither can exist if everyone circumvents the methods to make money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) YouTube defended their monopoly by running for free. They murdered the growth of legitimate competitions like Vimeo that had healthier business models... Because they didn't try to run for free. And now that they've saturated the market and killed off all of the serious competition it's time to profit Well, frankly, go fuck yourself. So long YouTube, and thanks for all the fish. 🐬 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Do you know why there are no good competitors to YouTube? It's fucking expensive. They have a monopoly but for what? They don't turn a profit. The losses they take on the platform are public knowledge because shockingly, hosting hundreds of TB of data being uploaded per minute isn't cheap. The only sites that even spit in their general direction is like, Pornhub and oh boy don't try to tell me that 'ad experience' is better Lol. Youtube has shit policies and even worse moderator decisions but it is widely a fucking charity and I think they have some right to turn it into a business instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That article is outdated. YouTube started to become profitable, but it took more than a decade to get there, so your point still stands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I look forward to the updated source you have on hand. They weren't profitable in 2009, weren't profitable in 2015, and the only things to change since then were Premium subscriptions and more ads. What could they have done to turn a profit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Typed "was google profitable in 2022". Took about 4 seconds. https://ippei.com/is-youtube-still-profitable/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/ Edit: as I'm not sure you'll look at the graphs. I want to point out that since 2015 the "what could they have done to turn a profit" question is answered in the graphs Users increased about 225% Revenue has increased 700-800% Its very profitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Revenue Unfortunately, revenue and profit are not synonyms. Revenue is money made before taxes and expenses. Yes, their revenue has increased because their userbase has increased. Users who are served advertisements. If users block advertisements, revenue decreases* while expenses increase due to more traffic and data storage required, reducing profit. Since YouTube doesn't flop their dick out on the table often, we don't know exact numbers for expenses but in 2015 when they did whip it out, it was at a loss. In your own link, the only methods it cites for Youtube 'profiting' are advertisements and premium. A userbase is only valuable if you can advertise to them, sell their data, or get them to pay a subscription. Revenue technically doesn't "decrease" in this instance but just fails to "increase" because advertisements aren't being served to users that otherwise would receive them. If enough people block ads, it widens the margin between cost and revenue which can lead to "negative profits" or a loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm well aware revenue and profit arent 1:1. You're "source" is a "Google person says they break even" in 2015. I give you graphs showing revenue growing at almost 4x the rate of users since 2015. Are they making 800% more profit, obviously not. But they sure as hell aren't losing money on YouTube anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* My guy.. Userbases increases come with increased traffic and the need for more data storage and bandwidth. We not only don't know what their expenses are but we can't even make a good guess. Your "graphs" show revenue. Stop pointing to them like they matter in any sense. They don't. 800% in REVENUE means nothing if expenses are 805%. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You literally just proved my point. It wasn't profitable. And it was free. It killed competition by losing money. And now, by your concession, they are turning it into a business. That's a fundamental change in the service. Fuck that. Either it was always their intent, in which case they were lying scum the whole time. Or it wasn't their intent and they've just decided spontaneously to prioritize profit, in which case it's greed and betrayal. Either way, fuck 'em. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago .. Yes. The strategy of expanding at a loss in order to recoup it later is a... business strategy. What? It's not even an underhanded one because it carries substantial risk. They ate losses and are now trying to collect on what users like you and I have been enjoying on their dime. Adblockers was to staunch the bleeding and clearly it's not working well enough so they're trying new ways. You're confusing greed with typical business practices. The grocery store isn't greedy, they're trying to keep the lights on and pay employees. This isn't "Walmart selling items at a loss until local businesses shut down and ramping them back up afterwards" - the data storage needed for this shit is beyond what most companies can do. Amazon with their AWS infrastructure is the only thing that has a shot in hell. The only reason Youtube can do it is by the sheer fact rich ass Google owns them. Businesses typically collect this thing called money to keep supplying the service you enjoy. Adblockers remove the very essential part of this exchange in which you pay for the thing you're using. You've been stealing groceries and are mad you're now being told to pay for them. My confusion is profound. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve been using YouTube far more than any of my paid services for years. However I’m ready for a switch. If the YouTubers who I follow switched platforms I’d go with them in a second. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Patrion and buying merchandise are the ways I support content creators. I’d rather make sure money goes directly to them and not to some corporation that will seize funds or cut off ad revenue at a whim with no real recourse. I understand the economics behind hosting videos, I also don’t use Adblock. YouTube has taken ads and unwanted content to a new level in the last year and they are driving away viewers. I refuse to support them with a subscription. If an ethical alternative pops up that has the creators I want I’d be happy to support it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago While buying merch, doing patreon, and other forms are commendable - we watch them on YouTube. Id get protesting the platform if they were making money hand over fist but we already know they don't make a profit on the platform. Ads and premium are just methods to staunch the bleeding. I understand the ads are intrusive and are getting worse but they've only amped them up to compensate for users who aren't served ads due to adblockers. I don't find it unethical to pay YouTube. They pay creators a fair percentage and overall are taking a loss. It's not greed, it's trying to stay afloat. Whether or not I support their policy changes, I'd like creators to survive off their work. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Patrion and buying merchandise are the ways I support content creators. I’d rather make sure money goes directly to them and not to some corporation that will seize funds or cut off ad revenue at a whim with no real recourse. I understand the economics behind hosting videos, I also don’t use Adblock. YouTube has taken ads and unwanted content to a new level in the last year and they are driving away viewers. I refuse to support them with a subscription. If an ethical alternative pops up that has the creators I want I’d be happy to support it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago While buying merch, doing patreon, and other forms are commendable - we watch them on YouTube. Id get protesting the platform if they were making money hand over fist but we already know they don't make a profit on the platform. Ads and premium are just methods to staunch the bleeding. I understand the ads are intrusive and are getting worse but they've only amped them up to compensate for users who aren't served ads due to adblockers. I don't find it unethical to pay YouTube. They pay creators a fair percentage and overall are taking a loss. It's not greed, it's trying to stay afloat. Whether or not I support their policy changes, I'd like creators to survive off their work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Patrion and buying merchandise are the ways I support content creators. I’d rather make sure money goes directly to them and not to some corporation that will seize funds or cut off ad revenue at a whim with no real recourse. I understand the economics behind hosting videos, I also don’t use Adblock. YouTube has taken ads and unwanted content to a new level in the last year and they are driving away viewers. I refuse to support them with a subscription. If an ethical alternative pops up that has the creators I want I’d be happy to support it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago While buying merch, doing patreon, and other forms are commendable - we watch them on YouTube. Id get protesting the platform if they were making money hand over fist but we already know they don't make a profit on the platform. Ads and premium are just methods to staunch the bleeding. I understand the ads are intrusive and are getting worse but they've only amped them up to compensate for users who aren't served ads due to adblockers. I don't find it unethical to pay YouTube. They pay creators a fair percentage and overall are taking a loss. It's not greed, it's trying to stay afloat. Whether or not I support their policy changes, I'd like creators to survive off their work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago While buying merch, doing patreon, and other forms are commendable - we watch them on YouTube. Id get protesting the platform if they were making money hand over fist but we already know they don't make a profit on the platform. Ads and premium are just methods to staunch the bleeding. I understand the ads are intrusive and are getting worse but they've only amped them up to compensate for users who aren't served ads due to adblockers. I don't find it unethical to pay YouTube. They pay creators a fair percentage and overall are taking a loss. It's not greed, it's trying to stay afloat. Whether or not I support their policy changes, I'd like creators to survive off their work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Problem is hosting all the video. You either have one host or many (P2P). Both have issues. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) And both cost money, neither can exist if everyone circumvents the methods to make money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) YouTube defended their monopoly by running for free. They murdered the growth of legitimate competitions like Vimeo that had healthier business models... Because they didn't try to run for free. And now that they've saturated the market and killed off all of the serious competition it's time to profit Well, frankly, go fuck yourself. So long YouTube, and thanks for all the fish. 🐬 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Do you know why there are no good competitors to YouTube? It's fucking expensive. They have a monopoly but for what? They don't turn a profit. The losses they take on the platform are public knowledge because shockingly, hosting hundreds of TB of data being uploaded per minute isn't cheap. The only sites that even spit in their general direction is like, Pornhub and oh boy don't try to tell me that 'ad experience' is better Lol. Youtube has shit policies and even worse moderator decisions but it is widely a fucking charity and I think they have some right to turn it into a business instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That article is outdated. YouTube started to become profitable, but it took more than a decade to get there, so your point still stands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I look forward to the updated source you have on hand. They weren't profitable in 2009, weren't profitable in 2015, and the only things to change since then were Premium subscriptions and more ads. What could they have done to turn a profit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Typed "was google profitable in 2022". Took about 4 seconds. https://ippei.com/is-youtube-still-profitable/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/ Edit: as I'm not sure you'll look at the graphs. I want to point out that since 2015 the "what could they have done to turn a profit" question is answered in the graphs Users increased about 225% Revenue has increased 700-800% Its very profitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Revenue Unfortunately, revenue and profit are not synonyms. Revenue is money made before taxes and expenses. Yes, their revenue has increased because their userbase has increased. Users who are served advertisements. If users block advertisements, revenue decreases* while expenses increase due to more traffic and data storage required, reducing profit. Since YouTube doesn't flop their dick out on the table often, we don't know exact numbers for expenses but in 2015 when they did whip it out, it was at a loss. In your own link, the only methods it cites for Youtube 'profiting' are advertisements and premium. A userbase is only valuable if you can advertise to them, sell their data, or get them to pay a subscription. Revenue technically doesn't "decrease" in this instance but just fails to "increase" because advertisements aren't being served to users that otherwise would receive them. If enough people block ads, it widens the margin between cost and revenue which can lead to "negative profits" or a loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm well aware revenue and profit arent 1:1. You're "source" is a "Google person says they break even" in 2015. I give you graphs showing revenue growing at almost 4x the rate of users since 2015. Are they making 800% more profit, obviously not. But they sure as hell aren't losing money on YouTube anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* My guy.. Userbases increases come with increased traffic and the need for more data storage and bandwidth. We not only don't know what their expenses are but we can't even make a good guess. Your "graphs" show revenue. Stop pointing to them like they matter in any sense. They don't. 800% in REVENUE means nothing if expenses are 805%. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You literally just proved my point. It wasn't profitable. And it was free. It killed competition by losing money. And now, by your concession, they are turning it into a business. That's a fundamental change in the service. Fuck that. Either it was always their intent, in which case they were lying scum the whole time. Or it wasn't their intent and they've just decided spontaneously to prioritize profit, in which case it's greed and betrayal. Either way, fuck 'em. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago .. Yes. The strategy of expanding at a loss in order to recoup it later is a... business strategy. What? It's not even an underhanded one because it carries substantial risk. They ate losses and are now trying to collect on what users like you and I have been enjoying on their dime. Adblockers was to staunch the bleeding and clearly it's not working well enough so they're trying new ways. You're confusing greed with typical business practices. The grocery store isn't greedy, they're trying to keep the lights on and pay employees. This isn't "Walmart selling items at a loss until local businesses shut down and ramping them back up afterwards" - the data storage needed for this shit is beyond what most companies can do. Amazon with their AWS infrastructure is the only thing that has a shot in hell. The only reason Youtube can do it is by the sheer fact rich ass Google owns them. Businesses typically collect this thing called money to keep supplying the service you enjoy. Adblockers remove the very essential part of this exchange in which you pay for the thing you're using. You've been stealing groceries and are mad you're now being told to pay for them. My confusion is profound. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) And both cost money, neither can exist if everyone circumvents the methods to make money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) YouTube defended their monopoly by running for free. They murdered the growth of legitimate competitions like Vimeo that had healthier business models... Because they didn't try to run for free. And now that they've saturated the market and killed off all of the serious competition it's time to profit Well, frankly, go fuck yourself. So long YouTube, and thanks for all the fish. 🐬 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Do you know why there are no good competitors to YouTube? It's fucking expensive. They have a monopoly but for what? They don't turn a profit. The losses they take on the platform are public knowledge because shockingly, hosting hundreds of TB of data being uploaded per minute isn't cheap. The only sites that even spit in their general direction is like, Pornhub and oh boy don't try to tell me that 'ad experience' is better Lol. Youtube has shit policies and even worse moderator decisions but it is widely a fucking charity and I think they have some right to turn it into a business instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That article is outdated. YouTube started to become profitable, but it took more than a decade to get there, so your point still stands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I look forward to the updated source you have on hand. They weren't profitable in 2009, weren't profitable in 2015, and the only things to change since then were Premium subscriptions and more ads. What could they have done to turn a profit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Typed "was google profitable in 2022". Took about 4 seconds. https://ippei.com/is-youtube-still-profitable/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/ Edit: as I'm not sure you'll look at the graphs. I want to point out that since 2015 the "what could they have done to turn a profit" question is answered in the graphs Users increased about 225% Revenue has increased 700-800% Its very profitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Revenue Unfortunately, revenue and profit are not synonyms. Revenue is money made before taxes and expenses. Yes, their revenue has increased because their userbase has increased. Users who are served advertisements. If users block advertisements, revenue decreases* while expenses increase due to more traffic and data storage required, reducing profit. Since YouTube doesn't flop their dick out on the table often, we don't know exact numbers for expenses but in 2015 when they did whip it out, it was at a loss. In your own link, the only methods it cites for Youtube 'profiting' are advertisements and premium. A userbase is only valuable if you can advertise to them, sell their data, or get them to pay a subscription. Revenue technically doesn't "decrease" in this instance but just fails to "increase" because advertisements aren't being served to users that otherwise would receive them. If enough people block ads, it widens the margin between cost and revenue which can lead to "negative profits" or a loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm well aware revenue and profit arent 1:1. You're "source" is a "Google person says they break even" in 2015. I give you graphs showing revenue growing at almost 4x the rate of users since 2015. Are they making 800% more profit, obviously not. But they sure as hell aren't losing money on YouTube anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* My guy.. Userbases increases come with increased traffic and the need for more data storage and bandwidth. We not only don't know what their expenses are but we can't even make a good guess. Your "graphs" show revenue. Stop pointing to them like they matter in any sense. They don't. 800% in REVENUE means nothing if expenses are 805%. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You literally just proved my point. It wasn't profitable. And it was free. It killed competition by losing money. And now, by your concession, they are turning it into a business. That's a fundamental change in the service. Fuck that. Either it was always their intent, in which case they were lying scum the whole time. Or it wasn't their intent and they've just decided spontaneously to prioritize profit, in which case it's greed and betrayal. Either way, fuck 'em. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago .. Yes. The strategy of expanding at a loss in order to recoup it later is a... business strategy. What? It's not even an underhanded one because it carries substantial risk. They ate losses and are now trying to collect on what users like you and I have been enjoying on their dime. Adblockers was to staunch the bleeding and clearly it's not working well enough so they're trying new ways. You're confusing greed with typical business practices. The grocery store isn't greedy, they're trying to keep the lights on and pay employees. This isn't "Walmart selling items at a loss until local businesses shut down and ramping them back up afterwards" - the data storage needed for this shit is beyond what most companies can do. Amazon with their AWS infrastructure is the only thing that has a shot in hell. The only reason Youtube can do it is by the sheer fact rich ass Google owns them. Businesses typically collect this thing called money to keep supplying the service you enjoy. Adblockers remove the very essential part of this exchange in which you pay for the thing you're using. You've been stealing groceries and are mad you're now being told to pay for them. My confusion is profound. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) YouTube defended their monopoly by running for free. They murdered the growth of legitimate competitions like Vimeo that had healthier business models... Because they didn't try to run for free. And now that they've saturated the market and killed off all of the serious competition it's time to profit Well, frankly, go fuck yourself. So long YouTube, and thanks for all the fish. 🐬 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Do you know why there are no good competitors to YouTube? It's fucking expensive. They have a monopoly but for what? They don't turn a profit. The losses they take on the platform are public knowledge because shockingly, hosting hundreds of TB of data being uploaded per minute isn't cheap. The only sites that even spit in their general direction is like, Pornhub and oh boy don't try to tell me that 'ad experience' is better Lol. Youtube has shit policies and even worse moderator decisions but it is widely a fucking charity and I think they have some right to turn it into a business instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That article is outdated. YouTube started to become profitable, but it took more than a decade to get there, so your point still stands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I look forward to the updated source you have on hand. They weren't profitable in 2009, weren't profitable in 2015, and the only things to change since then were Premium subscriptions and more ads. What could they have done to turn a profit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Typed "was google profitable in 2022". Took about 4 seconds. https://ippei.com/is-youtube-still-profitable/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/ Edit: as I'm not sure you'll look at the graphs. I want to point out that since 2015 the "what could they have done to turn a profit" question is answered in the graphs Users increased about 225% Revenue has increased 700-800% Its very profitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Revenue Unfortunately, revenue and profit are not synonyms. Revenue is money made before taxes and expenses. Yes, their revenue has increased because their userbase has increased. Users who are served advertisements. If users block advertisements, revenue decreases* while expenses increase due to more traffic and data storage required, reducing profit. Since YouTube doesn't flop their dick out on the table often, we don't know exact numbers for expenses but in 2015 when they did whip it out, it was at a loss. In your own link, the only methods it cites for Youtube 'profiting' are advertisements and premium. A userbase is only valuable if you can advertise to them, sell their data, or get them to pay a subscription. Revenue technically doesn't "decrease" in this instance but just fails to "increase" because advertisements aren't being served to users that otherwise would receive them. If enough people block ads, it widens the margin between cost and revenue which can lead to "negative profits" or a loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm well aware revenue and profit arent 1:1. You're "source" is a "Google person says they break even" in 2015. I give you graphs showing revenue growing at almost 4x the rate of users since 2015. Are they making 800% more profit, obviously not. But they sure as hell aren't losing money on YouTube anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* My guy.. Userbases increases come with increased traffic and the need for more data storage and bandwidth. We not only don't know what their expenses are but we can't even make a good guess. Your "graphs" show revenue. Stop pointing to them like they matter in any sense. They don't. 800% in REVENUE means nothing if expenses are 805%. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You literally just proved my point. It wasn't profitable. And it was free. It killed competition by losing money. And now, by your concession, they are turning it into a business. That's a fundamental change in the service. Fuck that. Either it was always their intent, in which case they were lying scum the whole time. Or it wasn't their intent and they've just decided spontaneously to prioritize profit, in which case it's greed and betrayal. Either way, fuck 'em. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago .. Yes. The strategy of expanding at a loss in order to recoup it later is a... business strategy. What? It's not even an underhanded one because it carries substantial risk. They ate losses and are now trying to collect on what users like you and I have been enjoying on their dime. Adblockers was to staunch the bleeding and clearly it's not working well enough so they're trying new ways. You're confusing greed with typical business practices. The grocery store isn't greedy, they're trying to keep the lights on and pay employees. This isn't "Walmart selling items at a loss until local businesses shut down and ramping them back up afterwards" - the data storage needed for this shit is beyond what most companies can do. Amazon with their AWS infrastructure is the only thing that has a shot in hell. The only reason Youtube can do it is by the sheer fact rich ass Google owns them. Businesses typically collect this thing called money to keep supplying the service you enjoy. Adblockers remove the very essential part of this exchange in which you pay for the thing you're using. You've been stealing groceries and are mad you're now being told to pay for them. My confusion is profound. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Do you know why there are no good competitors to YouTube? It's fucking expensive. They have a monopoly but for what? They don't turn a profit. The losses they take on the platform are public knowledge because shockingly, hosting hundreds of TB of data being uploaded per minute isn't cheap. The only sites that even spit in their general direction is like, Pornhub and oh boy don't try to tell me that 'ad experience' is better Lol. Youtube has shit policies and even worse moderator decisions but it is widely a fucking charity and I think they have some right to turn it into a business instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That article is outdated. YouTube started to become profitable, but it took more than a decade to get there, so your point still stands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I look forward to the updated source you have on hand. They weren't profitable in 2009, weren't profitable in 2015, and the only things to change since then were Premium subscriptions and more ads. What could they have done to turn a profit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Typed "was google profitable in 2022". Took about 4 seconds. https://ippei.com/is-youtube-still-profitable/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/ Edit: as I'm not sure you'll look at the graphs. I want to point out that since 2015 the "what could they have done to turn a profit" question is answered in the graphs Users increased about 225% Revenue has increased 700-800% Its very profitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Revenue Unfortunately, revenue and profit are not synonyms. Revenue is money made before taxes and expenses. Yes, their revenue has increased because their userbase has increased. Users who are served advertisements. If users block advertisements, revenue decreases* while expenses increase due to more traffic and data storage required, reducing profit. Since YouTube doesn't flop their dick out on the table often, we don't know exact numbers for expenses but in 2015 when they did whip it out, it was at a loss. In your own link, the only methods it cites for Youtube 'profiting' are advertisements and premium. A userbase is only valuable if you can advertise to them, sell their data, or get them to pay a subscription. Revenue technically doesn't "decrease" in this instance but just fails to "increase" because advertisements aren't being served to users that otherwise would receive them. If enough people block ads, it widens the margin between cost and revenue which can lead to "negative profits" or a loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm well aware revenue and profit arent 1:1. You're "source" is a "Google person says they break even" in 2015. I give you graphs showing revenue growing at almost 4x the rate of users since 2015. Are they making 800% more profit, obviously not. But they sure as hell aren't losing money on YouTube anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* My guy.. Userbases increases come with increased traffic and the need for more data storage and bandwidth. We not only don't know what their expenses are but we can't even make a good guess. Your "graphs" show revenue. Stop pointing to them like they matter in any sense. They don't. 800% in REVENUE means nothing if expenses are 805%. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You literally just proved my point. It wasn't profitable. And it was free. It killed competition by losing money. And now, by your concession, they are turning it into a business. That's a fundamental change in the service. Fuck that. Either it was always their intent, in which case they were lying scum the whole time. Or it wasn't their intent and they've just decided spontaneously to prioritize profit, in which case it's greed and betrayal. Either way, fuck 'em. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago .. Yes. The strategy of expanding at a loss in order to recoup it later is a... business strategy. What? It's not even an underhanded one because it carries substantial risk. They ate losses and are now trying to collect on what users like you and I have been enjoying on their dime. Adblockers was to staunch the bleeding and clearly it's not working well enough so they're trying new ways. You're confusing greed with typical business practices. The grocery store isn't greedy, they're trying to keep the lights on and pay employees. This isn't "Walmart selling items at a loss until local businesses shut down and ramping them back up afterwards" - the data storage needed for this shit is beyond what most companies can do. Amazon with their AWS infrastructure is the only thing that has a shot in hell. The only reason Youtube can do it is by the sheer fact rich ass Google owns them. Businesses typically collect this thing called money to keep supplying the service you enjoy. Adblockers remove the very essential part of this exchange in which you pay for the thing you're using. You've been stealing groceries and are mad you're now being told to pay for them. My confusion is profound. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That article is outdated. YouTube started to become profitable, but it took more than a decade to get there, so your point still stands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I look forward to the updated source you have on hand. They weren't profitable in 2009, weren't profitable in 2015, and the only things to change since then were Premium subscriptions and more ads. What could they have done to turn a profit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Typed "was google profitable in 2022". Took about 4 seconds. https://ippei.com/is-youtube-still-profitable/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/ Edit: as I'm not sure you'll look at the graphs. I want to point out that since 2015 the "what could they have done to turn a profit" question is answered in the graphs Users increased about 225% Revenue has increased 700-800% Its very profitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Revenue Unfortunately, revenue and profit are not synonyms. Revenue is money made before taxes and expenses. Yes, their revenue has increased because their userbase has increased. Users who are served advertisements. If users block advertisements, revenue decreases* while expenses increase due to more traffic and data storage required, reducing profit. Since YouTube doesn't flop their dick out on the table often, we don't know exact numbers for expenses but in 2015 when they did whip it out, it was at a loss. In your own link, the only methods it cites for Youtube 'profiting' are advertisements and premium. A userbase is only valuable if you can advertise to them, sell their data, or get them to pay a subscription. Revenue technically doesn't "decrease" in this instance but just fails to "increase" because advertisements aren't being served to users that otherwise would receive them. If enough people block ads, it widens the margin between cost and revenue which can lead to "negative profits" or a loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm well aware revenue and profit arent 1:1. You're "source" is a "Google person says they break even" in 2015. I give you graphs showing revenue growing at almost 4x the rate of users since 2015. Are they making 800% more profit, obviously not. But they sure as hell aren't losing money on YouTube anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* My guy.. Userbases increases come with increased traffic and the need for more data storage and bandwidth. We not only don't know what their expenses are but we can't even make a good guess. Your "graphs" show revenue. Stop pointing to them like they matter in any sense. They don't. 800% in REVENUE means nothing if expenses are 805%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I look forward to the updated source you have on hand. They weren't profitable in 2009, weren't profitable in 2015, and the only things to change since then were Premium subscriptions and more ads. What could they have done to turn a profit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Typed "was google profitable in 2022". Took about 4 seconds. https://ippei.com/is-youtube-still-profitable/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/ Edit: as I'm not sure you'll look at the graphs. I want to point out that since 2015 the "what could they have done to turn a profit" question is answered in the graphs Users increased about 225% Revenue has increased 700-800% Its very profitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Revenue Unfortunately, revenue and profit are not synonyms. Revenue is money made before taxes and expenses. Yes, their revenue has increased because their userbase has increased. Users who are served advertisements. If users block advertisements, revenue decreases* while expenses increase due to more traffic and data storage required, reducing profit. Since YouTube doesn't flop their dick out on the table often, we don't know exact numbers for expenses but in 2015 when they did whip it out, it was at a loss. In your own link, the only methods it cites for Youtube 'profiting' are advertisements and premium. A userbase is only valuable if you can advertise to them, sell their data, or get them to pay a subscription. Revenue technically doesn't "decrease" in this instance but just fails to "increase" because advertisements aren't being served to users that otherwise would receive them. If enough people block ads, it widens the margin between cost and revenue which can lead to "negative profits" or a loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm well aware revenue and profit arent 1:1. You're "source" is a "Google person says they break even" in 2015. I give you graphs showing revenue growing at almost 4x the rate of users since 2015. Are they making 800% more profit, obviously not. But they sure as hell aren't losing money on YouTube anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* My guy.. Userbases increases come with increased traffic and the need for more data storage and bandwidth. We not only don't know what their expenses are but we can't even make a good guess. Your "graphs" show revenue. Stop pointing to them like they matter in any sense. They don't. 800% in REVENUE means nothing if expenses are 805%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Typed "was google profitable in 2022". Took about 4 seconds. https://ippei.com/is-youtube-still-profitable/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/ Edit: as I'm not sure you'll look at the graphs. I want to point out that since 2015 the "what could they have done to turn a profit" question is answered in the graphs Users increased about 225% Revenue has increased 700-800% Its very profitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Revenue Unfortunately, revenue and profit are not synonyms. Revenue is money made before taxes and expenses. Yes, their revenue has increased because their userbase has increased. Users who are served advertisements. If users block advertisements, revenue decreases* while expenses increase due to more traffic and data storage required, reducing profit. Since YouTube doesn't flop their dick out on the table often, we don't know exact numbers for expenses but in 2015 when they did whip it out, it was at a loss. In your own link, the only methods it cites for Youtube 'profiting' are advertisements and premium. A userbase is only valuable if you can advertise to them, sell their data, or get them to pay a subscription. Revenue technically doesn't "decrease" in this instance but just fails to "increase" because advertisements aren't being served to users that otherwise would receive them. If enough people block ads, it widens the margin between cost and revenue which can lead to "negative profits" or a loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm well aware revenue and profit arent 1:1. You're "source" is a "Google person says they break even" in 2015. I give you graphs showing revenue growing at almost 4x the rate of users since 2015. Are they making 800% more profit, obviously not. But they sure as hell aren't losing money on YouTube anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* My guy.. Userbases increases come with increased traffic and the need for more data storage and bandwidth. We not only don't know what their expenses are but we can't even make a good guess. Your "graphs" show revenue. Stop pointing to them like they matter in any sense. They don't. 800% in REVENUE means nothing if expenses are 805%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Revenue Unfortunately, revenue and profit are not synonyms. Revenue is money made before taxes and expenses. Yes, their revenue has increased because their userbase has increased. Users who are served advertisements. If users block advertisements, revenue decreases* while expenses increase due to more traffic and data storage required, reducing profit. Since YouTube doesn't flop their dick out on the table often, we don't know exact numbers for expenses but in 2015 when they did whip it out, it was at a loss. In your own link, the only methods it cites for Youtube 'profiting' are advertisements and premium. A userbase is only valuable if you can advertise to them, sell their data, or get them to pay a subscription. Revenue technically doesn't "decrease" in this instance but just fails to "increase" because advertisements aren't being served to users that otherwise would receive them. If enough people block ads, it widens the margin between cost and revenue which can lead to "negative profits" or a loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm well aware revenue and profit arent 1:1. You're "source" is a "Google person says they break even" in 2015. I give you graphs showing revenue growing at almost 4x the rate of users since 2015. Are they making 800% more profit, obviously not. But they sure as hell aren't losing money on YouTube anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* My guy.. Userbases increases come with increased traffic and the need for more data storage and bandwidth. We not only don't know what their expenses are but we can't even make a good guess. Your "graphs" show revenue. Stop pointing to them like they matter in any sense. They don't. 800% in REVENUE means nothing if expenses are 805%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Slabic@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm well aware revenue and profit arent 1:1. You're "source" is a "Google person says they break even" in 2015. I give you graphs showing revenue growing at almost 4x the rate of users since 2015. Are they making 800% more profit, obviously not. But they sure as hell aren't losing money on YouTube anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* My guy.. Userbases increases come with increased traffic and the need for more data storage and bandwidth. We not only don't know what their expenses are but we can't even make a good guess. Your "graphs" show revenue. Stop pointing to them like they matter in any sense. They don't. 800% in REVENUE means nothing if expenses are 805%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* My guy.. Userbases increases come with increased traffic and the need for more data storage and bandwidth. We not only don't know what their expenses are but we can't even make a good guess. Your "graphs" show revenue. Stop pointing to them like they matter in any sense. They don't. 800% in REVENUE means nothing if expenses are 805%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You literally just proved my point. It wasn't profitable. And it was free. It killed competition by losing money. And now, by your concession, they are turning it into a business. That's a fundamental change in the service. Fuck that. Either it was always their intent, in which case they were lying scum the whole time. Or it wasn't their intent and they've just decided spontaneously to prioritize profit, in which case it's greed and betrayal. Either way, fuck 'em. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago .. Yes. The strategy of expanding at a loss in order to recoup it later is a... business strategy. What? It's not even an underhanded one because it carries substantial risk. They ate losses and are now trying to collect on what users like you and I have been enjoying on their dime. Adblockers was to staunch the bleeding and clearly it's not working well enough so they're trying new ways. You're confusing greed with typical business practices. The grocery store isn't greedy, they're trying to keep the lights on and pay employees. This isn't "Walmart selling items at a loss until local businesses shut down and ramping them back up afterwards" - the data storage needed for this shit is beyond what most companies can do. Amazon with their AWS infrastructure is the only thing that has a shot in hell. The only reason Youtube can do it is by the sheer fact rich ass Google owns them. Businesses typically collect this thing called money to keep supplying the service you enjoy. Adblockers remove the very essential part of this exchange in which you pay for the thing you're using. You've been stealing groceries and are mad you're now being told to pay for them. My confusion is profound. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago .. Yes. The strategy of expanding at a loss in order to recoup it later is a... business strategy. What? It's not even an underhanded one because it carries substantial risk. They ate losses and are now trying to collect on what users like you and I have been enjoying on their dime. Adblockers was to staunch the bleeding and clearly it's not working well enough so they're trying new ways. You're confusing greed with typical business practices. The grocery store isn't greedy, they're trying to keep the lights on and pay employees. This isn't "Walmart selling items at a loss until local businesses shut down and ramping them back up afterwards" - the data storage needed for this shit is beyond what most companies can do. Amazon with their AWS infrastructure is the only thing that has a shot in hell. The only reason Youtube can do it is by the sheer fact rich ass Google owns them. Businesses typically collect this thing called money to keep supplying the service you enjoy. Adblockers remove the very essential part of this exchange in which you pay for the thing you're using. You've been stealing groceries and are mad you're now being told to pay for them. My confusion is profound. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ronnie@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 years ago (4 children) For sure! Which video site are you using instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 66 points 2 years ago (1 child) Xhamster permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yoz@aussie.zone -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol don't search for this site permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dear lord there's peanuses permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WYLD_STALLYNS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago Peanuses… it sounds like a slang term for Charles Shultz worst nightmare, Peanuts porn 😂 permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) there are a few but they're all filled with right wing nutters and i doubt their ability to scale effectively permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zik@zorg.social 17 points 2 years ago (3 children) Nebula isn't full of right wing nutters as far as I know permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 years ago However, I am broke permalink fedilink source parent [–] SineSwiper@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nebula is a gated community, and they don't let enough people in. It is far from the definition of "You" Tube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zik@zorg.social 3 points 2 years ago On the other hand when you pay for a service you're the customer, not the product. That can be an advantage. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not sure nebula can be considered in the same class as youtube though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago You're right, it's much much higher permalink fedilink source parent [+] Wooki@lemmy.world -52 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Great case of nut job lefty derailing and politicising every topic possible including video platforms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Ok have fun on bitchute with the Nazis then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) wait what does bitbucket have to do with nazis? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] steltek@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dunno but it explains a lot about Atlassian's UX, doesn't it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Ah yes, the new blue that’s painful to look at unless you’re a true aryan developer permalink fedilink source parent [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Nothing, I meant bitchute lmao, my bad permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aux@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Lefties have brain deficiency. That's all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clb92@feddit.dk 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do you mean BitChute? Because Bitbucket is a Git repository solution from Atlassian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I did lmao, corrected it now permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago BitBucket? You mate are an idiot. I mean lefty. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago ignore the problem then. it's the same problem that killed voat permalink fedilink source parent [–] HKayn@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago* It's amusing to see how nobody is able to genuinely answer this question. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fades@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) yt.whateveritworks.org permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] villainy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago So... YouTube then permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 66 points 2 years ago (1 child) Xhamster permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yoz@aussie.zone -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol don't search for this site permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dear lord there's peanuses permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WYLD_STALLYNS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago Peanuses… it sounds like a slang term for Charles Shultz worst nightmare, Peanuts porn 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] yoz@aussie.zone -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol don't search for this site permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dear lord there's peanuses permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WYLD_STALLYNS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago Peanuses… it sounds like a slang term for Charles Shultz worst nightmare, Peanuts porn 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dear lord there's peanuses permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WYLD_STALLYNS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago Peanuses… it sounds like a slang term for Charles Shultz worst nightmare, Peanuts porn 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WYLD_STALLYNS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago Peanuses… it sounds like a slang term for Charles Shultz worst nightmare, Peanuts porn 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) there are a few but they're all filled with right wing nutters and i doubt their ability to scale effectively permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zik@zorg.social 17 points 2 years ago (3 children) Nebula isn't full of right wing nutters as far as I know permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 years ago However, I am broke permalink fedilink source parent [–] SineSwiper@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nebula is a gated community, and they don't let enough people in. It is far from the definition of "You" Tube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zik@zorg.social 3 points 2 years ago On the other hand when you pay for a service you're the customer, not the product. That can be an advantage. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not sure nebula can be considered in the same class as youtube though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago You're right, it's much much higher permalink fedilink source parent [+] Wooki@lemmy.world -52 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Great case of nut job lefty derailing and politicising every topic possible including video platforms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Ok have fun on bitchute with the Nazis then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) wait what does bitbucket have to do with nazis? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] steltek@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dunno but it explains a lot about Atlassian's UX, doesn't it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Ah yes, the new blue that’s painful to look at unless you’re a true aryan developer permalink fedilink source parent [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Nothing, I meant bitchute lmao, my bad permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aux@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Lefties have brain deficiency. That's all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clb92@feddit.dk 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do you mean BitChute? Because Bitbucket is a Git repository solution from Atlassian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I did lmao, corrected it now permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago BitBucket? You mate are an idiot. I mean lefty. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago ignore the problem then. it's the same problem that killed voat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zik@zorg.social 17 points 2 years ago (3 children) Nebula isn't full of right wing nutters as far as I know permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 years ago However, I am broke permalink fedilink source parent [–] SineSwiper@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nebula is a gated community, and they don't let enough people in. It is far from the definition of "You" Tube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zik@zorg.social 3 points 2 years ago On the other hand when you pay for a service you're the customer, not the product. That can be an advantage. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not sure nebula can be considered in the same class as youtube though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago You're right, it's much much higher permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 years ago However, I am broke permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SineSwiper@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nebula is a gated community, and they don't let enough people in. It is far from the definition of "You" Tube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zik@zorg.social 3 points 2 years ago On the other hand when you pay for a service you're the customer, not the product. That can be an advantage. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zik@zorg.social 3 points 2 years ago On the other hand when you pay for a service you're the customer, not the product. That can be an advantage. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not sure nebula can be considered in the same class as youtube though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago You're right, it's much much higher permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago You're right, it's much much higher permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Wooki@lemmy.world -52 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Great case of nut job lefty derailing and politicising every topic possible including video platforms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Ok have fun on bitchute with the Nazis then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) wait what does bitbucket have to do with nazis? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] steltek@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dunno but it explains a lot about Atlassian's UX, doesn't it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Ah yes, the new blue that’s painful to look at unless you’re a true aryan developer permalink fedilink source parent [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Nothing, I meant bitchute lmao, my bad permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aux@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Lefties have brain deficiency. That's all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clb92@feddit.dk 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do you mean BitChute? Because Bitbucket is a Git repository solution from Atlassian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I did lmao, corrected it now permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago BitBucket? You mate are an idiot. I mean lefty. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago ignore the problem then. it's the same problem that killed voat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Ok have fun on bitchute with the Nazis then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) wait what does bitbucket have to do with nazis? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] steltek@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dunno but it explains a lot about Atlassian's UX, doesn't it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Ah yes, the new blue that’s painful to look at unless you’re a true aryan developer permalink fedilink source parent [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Nothing, I meant bitchute lmao, my bad permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aux@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Lefties have brain deficiency. That's all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clb92@feddit.dk 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do you mean BitChute? Because Bitbucket is a Git repository solution from Atlassian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I did lmao, corrected it now permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago BitBucket? You mate are an idiot. I mean lefty. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) wait what does bitbucket have to do with nazis? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] steltek@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dunno but it explains a lot about Atlassian's UX, doesn't it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Ah yes, the new blue that’s painful to look at unless you’re a true aryan developer permalink fedilink source parent [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Nothing, I meant bitchute lmao, my bad permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aux@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Lefties have brain deficiency. That's all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] steltek@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dunno but it explains a lot about Atlassian's UX, doesn't it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Ah yes, the new blue that’s painful to look at unless you’re a true aryan developer permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Ah yes, the new blue that’s painful to look at unless you’re a true aryan developer permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Nothing, I meant bitchute lmao, my bad permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aux@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Lefties have brain deficiency. That's all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] clb92@feddit.dk 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do you mean BitChute? Because Bitbucket is a Git repository solution from Atlassian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I did lmao, corrected it now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hazelnot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I did lmao, corrected it now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago BitBucket? You mate are an idiot. I mean lefty. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago ignore the problem then. it's the same problem that killed voat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago* It's amusing to see how nobody is able to genuinely answer this question. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fades@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) yt.whateveritworks.org permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] villainy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago So... YouTube then permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A2PKXG@feddit.de -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The reason while they have all the content, is precisely because they can generate revenue for channels. I much prefer payment through subcription and ad views to annoying in video sponsors and product placements permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hightrix@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) But on YouTube you get both. If I could pay and not get in video sponsorship along with no ads, then I might consider it. But I will not pay to be advertised at. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Sponsorblock is an extention which can help. It doesn't detract from the money the creator makes and you don't see ads for shit you dont want or can't afford. If you don't have premium and block ads though, you're definitely hurting the creator and platform as a whole. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kibiz0r@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Most creators that have in-video sponsors also have Patreons with sponsor-free feeds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) But on YouTube you get both. If I could pay and not get in video sponsorship along with no ads, then I might consider it. But I will not pay to be advertised at. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Sponsorblock is an extention which can help. It doesn't detract from the money the creator makes and you don't see ads for shit you dont want or can't afford. If you don't have premium and block ads though, you're definitely hurting the creator and platform as a whole. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kibiz0r@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Most creators that have in-video sponsors also have Patreons with sponsor-free feeds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Sponsorblock is an extention which can help. It doesn't detract from the money the creator makes and you don't see ads for shit you dont want or can't afford. If you don't have premium and block ads though, you're definitely hurting the creator and platform as a whole. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kibiz0r@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Most creators that have in-video sponsors also have Patreons with sponsor-free feeds. permalink fedilink source parent