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Tim Hortons employee won’t face criminal charges in death of customer (www.ctvnews.ca)
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Tl;dr: 75-yo old woman attacks the employees over a sandwich, rips hair from one of them, put that hair in her purse, calls the police and dies.

At that point, two other employees intervened, and as they were pulled apart, a “chunk of hair” was pulled from the shift lead’s head, “leaving a raw area.”

Once separated, the employees got behind the counter and Grayson sat down, taking a phone call. She was seen picking up the shift lead’s hair and putting it in her bag, police said.

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[–] 62 points 2 days ago* (8 children)

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bury-the-lede

Elderly woman has a total breakdown due to medical condition and somehow that's not the headline. This could be a real conversation about how elder care and how maybe it isn't a great idea to have the elderly in charge of things unless they're under constant medical supervision. Instead the top comment is "over fucking a sandwich- what a bitch!" Anita Grayson may have lived like a saint for all we know. At least, up until her body breaking down causes psychosis - which can happen to literally any one of us.

What a fucking stupid society.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    There is literally nothing in the article about psychosis.

    You are writing prose based on nothing but your desire to muddy the water and refusal to believe someone old cant be a fucking aggressive asshole just because they are simply an asshole.

    And let me tell you, Plenty of young, aggressive assholes grow into old aggressive assholes who are still convinced they can slap people around and get what they want, like they did with their children when they were 4.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Except the part where the lady died. That was a hint. People who are actively dying rarely behave "normally".

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    Yes, why wont we have any sympathy for the poor woman. Those dirty employees should have just taken her verbal and physical abuse. HAVE THEY NO RESPECT FOR THEIR BETTERS?!

    SHE WOULDNT HAVE DIED IF YOU'D HAVE JUST LET HER BEAT YOU, YOU PEASANT! 😭

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  • [–] 53 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

    Well in this particular case, the granddaughter came out and said she was a total bitch all her life, so... maybe it wasn't psychosis in this case?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    Her medical history, combined with this behavior, if anything seems to lean towards her just having anger issues for a really long time.

    There's also no evidence this is an event of psychosis. She was fully aware of her surroundings and events, as she knew why she was angry. The only evidence I see of her likely dying was an adrenal response because it is not that easy to rip out hair, especially at that age. And even that's a stretch - most likely she already had clotting issues and a weak heart, and the anger finished her off.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    You're drawing your own inferences from who knows where. Cardiac psychosis can be something that could (rarely) occur in late stage CHF patients. Those folks can barely move around at that point though.

    This woman did aggravate her serious medical condition, though, and I'm willing to believe she didn't have a complete understanding of it.

    I say this being in full agreement we need better healthcare in the US. But I've also seen people with access to great care who just didn't give a shit about the recommendations of their doctors. People are complicated.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    I’ve also seen people with access to great care who just didn’t give a shit about the recommendations of their doctors

    i haven't been able to get an MD to even open my medical records and look at them, let alone read them, for 15 years. i don't give a shit what my doctors say either, they haven't put in the requisite work to be allowed an opinion on my healthcare.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I hate the death of empathy

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Should we not have empathy for the children she assaulted? There is no evidence that she had a psychotic episode, there's plenty of evidence that she violently assaulted a young woman for doing their job.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I thought there was evidence it was psychosis, sorry

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    I don't doubt someone probably made that claim and popularized it for their own reasons, but anytime someone makes a similar claim about mental health and assault I am always dubious.

    People having a mental health crisis are overwhelmingly more likely to be the victims of violence than perpetrating it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    And even if it was psychosis, this just makes it a tragedy, not the fault of the employees she assaulted. Whether you're out of your mind or not, if you attack people, they have a right to defend themselves.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    People having a mental health crisis rarely physically attack random people, rather they are typically more likely to be the victims of abuse.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    You can calm down the performative social justice stuff. While what you say is true, it is irrelevant to this discussion. We're not discussing whether someone experiencing a mental health crisis might hypothetically attack someone. We're talking about whether someone who did attack someone did so because of a mental health crisis. The attack is not in dispute. Their moral and legal culpability is.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    You can calm down the performative social justice stuff. While what you say is true, it is irrelevant to this discussion

    Lol, facts are performative?

    We're talking about whether someone who did attack someone did so because of a mental health crisis. The attack is not in dispute.

    And the fact that people experiencing mental health crises aren't likely to be randomly violent isn't relevant?

    Their moral and legal culpability is.

    Intent almost always influences legal culpability.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Yep, it's kind of wild people jump to calling her a "Super Karen" when he most likely explanation is that she has a psychotic episode.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I love the fact that literally nothing in any of the evidence hints at a psychotic episode, but people like you gotta hallucinate facts just to justify your imaginary narrative that old people are sweet as candy and innocent as newborns and can do no wrong.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago*

    It's not about the age of the person. If somebody is acting very erratically (for example, starting a physical fight over pickles) I'm inclined to assume that the individual in question likely has some underlying issues.

    If you want to assume 'entitled boomer' that's on you; to me that looks no better than when someone assumes 'drug dealer' when the dead person has other attributes, based on their particular prejudice.

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