β² 565 βΌ The Jolla phone (feddit.it) submitted 5 days ago by pewpew@feddit.it to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world 87 comments fedilink hide all child comments No thanks, I'd rather use a Google Pixel with GrapheneOS Image transcription: buy privacy-first community driven phone look inside closed source OS with no recovery image and outdated dependencies
[β] jobbies@lemmy.zip 42 points 4 days ago (1 child) Still can't get over the closed-source OS part. How do you know its privacy-first if you can't verify it? permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] macros@feddit.org 24 points 4 days ago (2 children) But you can. Its Linux+GNU with a partially open, partially closed source UI. So you can run tracing utilities and other tools even wireshark!) to check that it values your privacy. That statement that it is a fully closed OS from the OP is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] 0x0@infosec.pub 23 points 4 days ago partially closed source I can't think of a single scenario where this isn't a red flag permalink fedilink source parent [β] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 child) If there's even one proprietary BLOB inserted into your open-source OS, you no longer have an open-source OS. Pity, I really really liked the SailfishOS look&feel when I tried it briefly in 2015ish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] macros@feddit.org 10 points 4 days ago (1 child) In that case hardware wise you are out of options. With the Librem 5 you get the closest. There you only have the CPU Microcode, Wifi and Bluetooth firmware, and the cellular modem & GNSS firmware. Software wise you have quite a few options, albeit few are usable as daily drivers. Android drops out because it requires hardware with proprietary HAL. You would have to rewrite huge parts of the OS so that it runs without them. Postmarket OS is your best bet for a somewhat usable experience Many open source systems run, but calls are difficult to setup and partly unreliable. Pure OS should fit your goal best, Mobian second. With a Droid 4 and Maemo Leste you can also get quite close but have no camera. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago I know about the options you mention and yes, Iam not happy with them. I currently use LineageOS on a shiftphone, and I know this is far from perfect. I tried postmarketos on a pinephone 2-3 years ago and the telephony/modem was not working yet, also the battery life was <24 hours on standby (i.e. never touching the phone even once) :( I wish... But currently there is no single complete open source option. And the Librem is interesting but coming from a de-facto totalitarian regime where I have trust issues. Especially because FISA court orders may prevent a company from disclosing that they have been legally forced to put a backdoot into their code. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] macros@feddit.org 24 points 4 days ago (2 children) But you can. Its Linux+GNU with a partially open, partially closed source UI. So you can run tracing utilities and other tools even wireshark!) to check that it values your privacy. That statement that it is a fully closed OS from the OP is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] 0x0@infosec.pub 23 points 4 days ago partially closed source I can't think of a single scenario where this isn't a red flag permalink fedilink source parent [β] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 child) If there's even one proprietary BLOB inserted into your open-source OS, you no longer have an open-source OS. Pity, I really really liked the SailfishOS look&feel when I tried it briefly in 2015ish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] macros@feddit.org 10 points 4 days ago (1 child) In that case hardware wise you are out of options. With the Librem 5 you get the closest. There you only have the CPU Microcode, Wifi and Bluetooth firmware, and the cellular modem & GNSS firmware. Software wise you have quite a few options, albeit few are usable as daily drivers. Android drops out because it requires hardware with proprietary HAL. You would have to rewrite huge parts of the OS so that it runs without them. Postmarket OS is your best bet for a somewhat usable experience Many open source systems run, but calls are difficult to setup and partly unreliable. Pure OS should fit your goal best, Mobian second. With a Droid 4 and Maemo Leste you can also get quite close but have no camera. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago I know about the options you mention and yes, Iam not happy with them. I currently use LineageOS on a shiftphone, and I know this is far from perfect. I tried postmarketos on a pinephone 2-3 years ago and the telephony/modem was not working yet, also the battery life was <24 hours on standby (i.e. never touching the phone even once) :( I wish... But currently there is no single complete open source option. And the Librem is interesting but coming from a de-facto totalitarian regime where I have trust issues. Especially because FISA court orders may prevent a company from disclosing that they have been legally forced to put a backdoot into their code. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] 0x0@infosec.pub 23 points 4 days ago partially closed source I can't think of a single scenario where this isn't a red flag permalink fedilink source parent
[β] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 child) If there's even one proprietary BLOB inserted into your open-source OS, you no longer have an open-source OS. Pity, I really really liked the SailfishOS look&feel when I tried it briefly in 2015ish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] macros@feddit.org 10 points 4 days ago (1 child) In that case hardware wise you are out of options. With the Librem 5 you get the closest. There you only have the CPU Microcode, Wifi and Bluetooth firmware, and the cellular modem & GNSS firmware. Software wise you have quite a few options, albeit few are usable as daily drivers. Android drops out because it requires hardware with proprietary HAL. You would have to rewrite huge parts of the OS so that it runs without them. Postmarket OS is your best bet for a somewhat usable experience Many open source systems run, but calls are difficult to setup and partly unreliable. Pure OS should fit your goal best, Mobian second. With a Droid 4 and Maemo Leste you can also get quite close but have no camera. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago I know about the options you mention and yes, Iam not happy with them. I currently use LineageOS on a shiftphone, and I know this is far from perfect. I tried postmarketos on a pinephone 2-3 years ago and the telephony/modem was not working yet, also the battery life was <24 hours on standby (i.e. never touching the phone even once) :( I wish... But currently there is no single complete open source option. And the Librem is interesting but coming from a de-facto totalitarian regime where I have trust issues. Especially because FISA court orders may prevent a company from disclosing that they have been legally forced to put a backdoot into their code. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] macros@feddit.org 10 points 4 days ago (1 child) In that case hardware wise you are out of options. With the Librem 5 you get the closest. There you only have the CPU Microcode, Wifi and Bluetooth firmware, and the cellular modem & GNSS firmware. Software wise you have quite a few options, albeit few are usable as daily drivers. Android drops out because it requires hardware with proprietary HAL. You would have to rewrite huge parts of the OS so that it runs without them. Postmarket OS is your best bet for a somewhat usable experience Many open source systems run, but calls are difficult to setup and partly unreliable. Pure OS should fit your goal best, Mobian second. With a Droid 4 and Maemo Leste you can also get quite close but have no camera. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago I know about the options you mention and yes, Iam not happy with them. I currently use LineageOS on a shiftphone, and I know this is far from perfect. I tried postmarketos on a pinephone 2-3 years ago and the telephony/modem was not working yet, also the battery life was <24 hours on standby (i.e. never touching the phone even once) :( I wish... But currently there is no single complete open source option. And the Librem is interesting but coming from a de-facto totalitarian regime where I have trust issues. Especially because FISA court orders may prevent a company from disclosing that they have been legally forced to put a backdoot into their code. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago I know about the options you mention and yes, Iam not happy with them. I currently use LineageOS on a shiftphone, and I know this is far from perfect. I tried postmarketos on a pinephone 2-3 years ago and the telephony/modem was not working yet, also the battery life was <24 hours on standby (i.e. never touching the phone even once) :( I wish... But currently there is no single complete open source option. And the Librem is interesting but coming from a de-facto totalitarian regime where I have trust issues. Especially because FISA court orders may prevent a company from disclosing that they have been legally forced to put a backdoot into their code. permalink fedilink source parent
