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[–] 33 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

remember folks: the entire problem is capitalism. it can literally all be solved by dismantling capitalism and …undismantling some guillotines.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Do you think that under State socialism that copyrights will exist and be enforced?

    Who/what exactly would grant OR enforce copyrights under libertarian socialism?

    Capitalism is a problem, but is not quite parallel with IP rights/protections.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Am I misunderstanding something here??? Copyright needn't exist under socialism because under socialism artists wouldn't be dependent on the legal fiction of "intellectual property" to make a living.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    Without copyright, what LLMs raiding the creative output of whoever (including by destroying and scanning books), and reproducing it, even exactly, wouldn't have any legal restrictions, but neither would overt piracy.

    It would be a very different world. So, depending on what you think is "wrong" with one of the listed activities but not the other, it might be solved by eliminating IP (as part of overthrowing Capitalism or otherwise). Also, the current private justifications of those behaviors would no longer acquiring or obtaining capital, but that doesn't mean people wouldn't pursue those behaviors for other justifications.

    I think in a socialist world, a great many artists will still find themselves working to make a living; they will work for the community instead of the Capitalists, but there will still be work to be done, and art may not keep your belly full in lean times. But, I also have problems imagining a socialist world.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Now you have upgraded to a more limited number of rich assholes with even more concentrated power. Oh wait, a couple of decades later they reintroduce capitalism too.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    It's unclear that is inevitable, but it does seem to be a common result of State socialism.

    In libertarian socialism, hoarding resources will be recognized as an attack on the commons that can be answered with an attack (by the people) on the hoarder.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    How in the world is that going to be policed?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    In libertarian socialism, the people are the police. There's no States, so no state-organized and state-privileged police force. I could be wrong though, I still need a lot of education around libertarian socialism; I'm very much used to Capitalism.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    That makes no sense. How are a bunch of vigilantes going to be accountable to the rest of society?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Maybe this will help: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-full#text-amuse-label-seci58

    I haven't internalized all of it yet.

    I think this is the most direct answer:

    Simply put, if people impose themselves by force on others then “they will be the government” and “we will oppose them with force” for “if today we want to make a revolution against the government, it is not in order to submit ourselves supinely to new oppressors.” [Malatesta, Op. Cit., p. 99] This applies to defending a free society against organised counter-revolution and against those within it conducting anti-social (“criminal”) activities. The principle is the same, it is just the scale which is different.

    The "bunch of vigilantes" will be accountable to the people because they will be the people. They will act to reject anti-social activities, re-educate people that chose to do anti-social acts (so they have a pro-social understanding), and remediate any harms due anti-social activities.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    The police, right now, are the people. The state is the people.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    No, police and the State are not the people. They are given authority and privilege that the people don't have, in particular qualified immunity.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    So are you going to give the power and authority to rule over others and enforce rules to everyone? Does that not lead to things like tyranny of the majority and people with the most strength/resources/time/energy to rule over others?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child)

    tyranny of the majority

    This concept was invented by rich people who were afraid that the majority would vote to take away their wealth and property.

    Just saying.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    I don't personally have designs. But, libertarian socialism / anarchism does have perspectives, if not plans.

    power and authority to rule over others

    No one gets this.

    enforce rules

    Everyone does this.

    tyranny of the majority

    Anarchists reject the premise that freedoms of the minority can be removed by democratic vote. While votes can be informative, even useful, they are not binding.

    people with the most strength/resources/time/energy to rule over others

    My understanding is that the people, collectively, are considered more powerful than any individual, and any anti-social individuals will be corrected by the people.

    I personally think that warlord-ism is a risk. It seems a common enough result of a governmental vacuum. But, as I understand the theory, any persons that attempt to rule will be resisted as if they were the government. Liberal socialism isn't pacifistic; it argues that defensive violence is just. In particular, if someone is making a legitimate threat of violence to take away the freedoms of you or someone else, you should use violence to remove the threat. If the threat is significant or persistent enough, this (defensive) violence might require collective action.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    I think that pretty much everyone would prefer to have a state where laws and heirarchies are well defined rather than some sort of make believe society that relies on every person being politically engaged and violence to exist.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child)

    No, I think plenty of people see any hierarchy as a suffocating imposition on their freedoms and person, an enabler of bad behavior, and an attempt at a justification for poverty and deprivation. Basically equality is the absence of hierarchy, and any hierarchy existing means equality has not yet been achieved.

    See also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agzNANfNlTs

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