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Fuck Andrew Tate, but also, fuck condoning the mistreatment of any imprisoned person. I work with folks coming out of prison and it is incredibly common for them to be forced to drink unsafe water and the health effects follow them for years. No one should have to live like that.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

    100% agree with you but he probably found a way to weasel his way out of unfair treatment with bribes and he is just trying to farm empathy points by lying.

    Also I am still a bit on the fence about how to treat people who have clearly broken the social contract. He is a person who believes that women should be denied many rights given to men. In such a situation it is not unfair to expect that he is not entitled to enjoy the rights of the contract he clearly violates. The only fact that keeps me advocating for this is that I know such treatment in prisons effect everyone irregardless of their crime. But in an ideal situation where only people like Tate was subjected to these treatments I would be 100% ok. Unfortunately such a world can not exist and I have to then defend the rights of this stupid asshole.

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  • [–] 6 points 14 hours ago

    I commend your position, its clearly superior to my own.

    I would still like an exception made for cases of "special asshole leopard irony"

    But the more I think of it, arseholes like him will probably sue and get a fat settlement, while the problem still does not get fixed.

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  • [–] 6 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    This guy is part of the group of people who fought against rights, this cascaded into rights for prisoners like him.

    He is just reaping what he had sown.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    And yet we should still be better

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  • [–] -2 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    It is what got us into this mess, giving the gentle, carebear treatment to complete monsters, while they take another shot at us.

    Sometimes, you need to be old testament with them, so they know and fear justice.

    They just see mercy as weakness

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  • [–] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    It's still prison, I'm not saying to hand him victims (in fact part of what I'm saying is prisons should stop handing victims to rapists). I'm saying he should have tolerable food, clean water, exercise, social interaction, and other basic necessities while we attempt to make a human out of him after he's convicted. Currently he's not even convicted

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  • [–] 0 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    Best do it before people like me get our hands on him, he has made way too many people who deserved better, suffer and die.

    I don't think you understand the sheer magnitude of what these monsters did.

    I would do anything to make sure that sort of stuff never happens again.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 hours ago

    I don't think you understand how systems of institutuonsl violence function. When prisons are made worse the in group becomes less and less likely to be sent there. If we make prisons into little hells, we don't get less violent sociopaths, they just become prison guards

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  • [–] 68 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    cruel and unusual punishment...

    i believe in rehabilitation, even for fucks like this. And even if they can't be rehabilitated, they deserve clean water at the very least.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I don't believe anything he says. In another tweet he claimed that he had no contact with the outside world. The man is posting to the world on a public platform. He clearly has internet access and contact.

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  • Possibly, but typically, when someone is incarcerated and posting online, they do so via an intermediary such as their attorney or a family member. One has to imagine that Tate is not managing his own social media presence even when he's not locked up. I have no idea if that post accurately reflects the conditions he's being held under, but I do know that it accurately reflects the conditions of millions of incarcerated people in the U.S., which is fucked and should be changed.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    Tate still lied about having contact. If he didn't have any contact, then someone wouldn't have been able to post his words for him. He made similar posts when he was arrested in Romania. This is just a tactic for attention. Hes an abuser trying to make everyone think he's a victim.

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  • What's your point? My original post started with "Fuck Andrew Tate." I agree that he's an abuser. It doesn't change the fact that inhumane conditions are rife through our carceral system. How is the idea that literally everyone should have clean water controversial?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 hours ago

    Because when it eventually comes out that he is lying his ass off for internet clout about how poorly treated he is being in prison (he has money and generally agrees with our administration - those people rarely are seeing the worst our prison system has to offer), it will make it look like our prisons treat everyone well and anyone else complaining is just trying to get attention, just like this guy.

    It makes it so much harder for people actually in shitty prison conditions to get anyone to believe them, even if they have evidence it will get brushed off as exaggeration or fabricated by so many more people because "look at what happened to Andrew Tate, he claimed the same thing and then we found out he was in a room nicer than any hotel I've stayed at with his phone and internet access" (making a lot of assumptions there, hopefully it isn't that, but it's the stereotype for rich people in prison).

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