▲ 768 ▼ Sen. Lindsey Graham dies at 71 after ‘brief and sudden illness’ (www.nbcnews.com) submitted 4 weeks ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 396 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) No, no, you don’t get it. It’s not about being nice, it’s about telegraphing what a good, nonthreatening supplicant you are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] jordanlund@lemmy.world [M] -35 points 4 weeks ago (2 children) I already said he was an asshole and cited the reason, that's not supplication. You don't have to celebrate death to prove you aren't a supplicant. 😉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) You wrote the words “basic humanity” as if that was supposed to make sense as a justification for a rule. Don’t think we’ve seen a reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] jordanlund@lemmy.world [M] -34 points 4 weeks ago (2 children) Reason enough for people with basic human empathy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) I have empathy for the people whose lives were made miserable by republican policies graham championed and I celebrate one less champion of those policies fucking people over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) those policies killed people not just made miserable fucking killed but we’re not supposed to be happy he’s dead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 weeks ago Civility politics says you must grieve for monsters who's life choices killed others. No being happy when he dies. I wonder if this place would ban anyone happy when Trump dies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Would you react the same if he killed directly instead of indirectly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) There's a big difference between Kissinger and Graham, I mentioned this in another reply, but it bears repeating... Kissinger had the power and ability to act alone in his atrocities. Graham, as a member of the Senate, did not have that ability. Whatever evils he enacted, he was able to do so with the consent of a majority of the House, Senate and President. Kissinger did what he wanted, Graham literally could not on his own. Not saying he did good things, he was a complete tool, but a majority of the Legislative branch signed off on the things he did. Not the same thing at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 5 points 3 weeks ago* he was able to do so with the consent of a majority of the House, Senate and President. So he was still a bad person but also other people agreed with him and enabled him to do bad stuff This is like saying "Jeff was not a bad person, they would restrain him so he couldn't kill, while Josh was a very bad person because he could kill without restriction" permalink fedilink source parent [–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) It might help you understand WHY you're getting ratioed if you understand this: Lindsay Graham was basically a serial killer who used votes rather than knives. Imagine a serial killer murdered someone you love. Wouldn't you cheer when you find out he's died? Wouldn't you be happy he is dead and no longer able to harm others the way he harmed your loved one? That's how we feel about Graham dying. That's what we're celebrating. Graham is the serial killer who murdered our mama, and we're happy to see him die. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Poxlox@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I love how they just ignore this extremely well said criticism and just keep spamming this "human decency" angle permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] pinto@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] jordanlund@lemmy.world [M] -35 points 4 weeks ago (2 children) I already said he was an asshole and cited the reason, that's not supplication. You don't have to celebrate death to prove you aren't a supplicant. 😉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) You wrote the words “basic humanity” as if that was supposed to make sense as a justification for a rule. Don’t think we’ve seen a reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] jordanlund@lemmy.world [M] -34 points 4 weeks ago (2 children) Reason enough for people with basic human empathy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) I have empathy for the people whose lives were made miserable by republican policies graham championed and I celebrate one less champion of those policies fucking people over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) those policies killed people not just made miserable fucking killed but we’re not supposed to be happy he’s dead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 weeks ago Civility politics says you must grieve for monsters who's life choices killed others. No being happy when he dies. I wonder if this place would ban anyone happy when Trump dies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Would you react the same if he killed directly instead of indirectly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) There's a big difference between Kissinger and Graham, I mentioned this in another reply, but it bears repeating... Kissinger had the power and ability to act alone in his atrocities. Graham, as a member of the Senate, did not have that ability. Whatever evils he enacted, he was able to do so with the consent of a majority of the House, Senate and President. Kissinger did what he wanted, Graham literally could not on his own. Not saying he did good things, he was a complete tool, but a majority of the Legislative branch signed off on the things he did. Not the same thing at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 5 points 3 weeks ago* he was able to do so with the consent of a majority of the House, Senate and President. So he was still a bad person but also other people agreed with him and enabled him to do bad stuff This is like saying "Jeff was not a bad person, they would restrain him so he couldn't kill, while Josh was a very bad person because he could kill without restriction" permalink fedilink source parent [–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) It might help you understand WHY you're getting ratioed if you understand this: Lindsay Graham was basically a serial killer who used votes rather than knives. Imagine a serial killer murdered someone you love. Wouldn't you cheer when you find out he's died? Wouldn't you be happy he is dead and no longer able to harm others the way he harmed your loved one? That's how we feel about Graham dying. That's what we're celebrating. Graham is the serial killer who murdered our mama, and we're happy to see him die. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Poxlox@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I love how they just ignore this extremely well said criticism and just keep spamming this "human decency" angle permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] pinto@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) You wrote the words “basic humanity” as if that was supposed to make sense as a justification for a rule. Don’t think we’ve seen a reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] jordanlund@lemmy.world [M] -34 points 4 weeks ago (2 children) Reason enough for people with basic human empathy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) I have empathy for the people whose lives were made miserable by republican policies graham championed and I celebrate one less champion of those policies fucking people over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) those policies killed people not just made miserable fucking killed but we’re not supposed to be happy he’s dead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 weeks ago Civility politics says you must grieve for monsters who's life choices killed others. No being happy when he dies. I wonder if this place would ban anyone happy when Trump dies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Would you react the same if he killed directly instead of indirectly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) There's a big difference between Kissinger and Graham, I mentioned this in another reply, but it bears repeating... Kissinger had the power and ability to act alone in his atrocities. Graham, as a member of the Senate, did not have that ability. Whatever evils he enacted, he was able to do so with the consent of a majority of the House, Senate and President. Kissinger did what he wanted, Graham literally could not on his own. Not saying he did good things, he was a complete tool, but a majority of the Legislative branch signed off on the things he did. Not the same thing at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 5 points 3 weeks ago* he was able to do so with the consent of a majority of the House, Senate and President. So he was still a bad person but also other people agreed with him and enabled him to do bad stuff This is like saying "Jeff was not a bad person, they would restrain him so he couldn't kill, while Josh was a very bad person because he could kill without restriction" permalink fedilink source parent
[+] jordanlund@lemmy.world [M] -34 points 4 weeks ago (2 children) Reason enough for people with basic human empathy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) I have empathy for the people whose lives were made miserable by republican policies graham championed and I celebrate one less champion of those policies fucking people over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) those policies killed people not just made miserable fucking killed but we’re not supposed to be happy he’s dead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 weeks ago Civility politics says you must grieve for monsters who's life choices killed others. No being happy when he dies. I wonder if this place would ban anyone happy when Trump dies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Would you react the same if he killed directly instead of indirectly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) There's a big difference between Kissinger and Graham, I mentioned this in another reply, but it bears repeating... Kissinger had the power and ability to act alone in his atrocities. Graham, as a member of the Senate, did not have that ability. Whatever evils he enacted, he was able to do so with the consent of a majority of the House, Senate and President. Kissinger did what he wanted, Graham literally could not on his own. Not saying he did good things, he was a complete tool, but a majority of the Legislative branch signed off on the things he did. Not the same thing at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 5 points 3 weeks ago* he was able to do so with the consent of a majority of the House, Senate and President. So he was still a bad person but also other people agreed with him and enabled him to do bad stuff This is like saying "Jeff was not a bad person, they would restrain him so he couldn't kill, while Josh was a very bad person because he could kill without restriction" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) I have empathy for the people whose lives were made miserable by republican policies graham championed and I celebrate one less champion of those policies fucking people over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) those policies killed people not just made miserable fucking killed but we’re not supposed to be happy he’s dead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 weeks ago Civility politics says you must grieve for monsters who's life choices killed others. No being happy when he dies. I wonder if this place would ban anyone happy when Trump dies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) those policies killed people not just made miserable fucking killed but we’re not supposed to be happy he’s dead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 weeks ago Civility politics says you must grieve for monsters who's life choices killed others. No being happy when he dies. I wonder if this place would ban anyone happy when Trump dies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 weeks ago Civility politics says you must grieve for monsters who's life choices killed others. No being happy when he dies. I wonder if this place would ban anyone happy when Trump dies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Would you react the same if he killed directly instead of indirectly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) There's a big difference between Kissinger and Graham, I mentioned this in another reply, but it bears repeating... Kissinger had the power and ability to act alone in his atrocities. Graham, as a member of the Senate, did not have that ability. Whatever evils he enacted, he was able to do so with the consent of a majority of the House, Senate and President. Kissinger did what he wanted, Graham literally could not on his own. Not saying he did good things, he was a complete tool, but a majority of the Legislative branch signed off on the things he did. Not the same thing at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 5 points 3 weeks ago* he was able to do so with the consent of a majority of the House, Senate and President. So he was still a bad person but also other people agreed with him and enabled him to do bad stuff This is like saying "Jeff was not a bad person, they would restrain him so he couldn't kill, while Josh was a very bad person because he could kill without restriction" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) There's a big difference between Kissinger and Graham, I mentioned this in another reply, but it bears repeating... Kissinger had the power and ability to act alone in his atrocities. Graham, as a member of the Senate, did not have that ability. Whatever evils he enacted, he was able to do so with the consent of a majority of the House, Senate and President. Kissinger did what he wanted, Graham literally could not on his own. Not saying he did good things, he was a complete tool, but a majority of the Legislative branch signed off on the things he did. Not the same thing at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 5 points 3 weeks ago* he was able to do so with the consent of a majority of the House, Senate and President. So he was still a bad person but also other people agreed with him and enabled him to do bad stuff This is like saying "Jeff was not a bad person, they would restrain him so he couldn't kill, while Josh was a very bad person because he could kill without restriction" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 5 points 3 weeks ago* he was able to do so with the consent of a majority of the House, Senate and President. So he was still a bad person but also other people agreed with him and enabled him to do bad stuff This is like saying "Jeff was not a bad person, they would restrain him so he couldn't kill, while Josh was a very bad person because he could kill without restriction" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) It might help you understand WHY you're getting ratioed if you understand this: Lindsay Graham was basically a serial killer who used votes rather than knives. Imagine a serial killer murdered someone you love. Wouldn't you cheer when you find out he's died? Wouldn't you be happy he is dead and no longer able to harm others the way he harmed your loved one? That's how we feel about Graham dying. That's what we're celebrating. Graham is the serial killer who murdered our mama, and we're happy to see him die. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Poxlox@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I love how they just ignore this extremely well said criticism and just keep spamming this "human decency" angle permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] pinto@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Poxlox@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I love how they just ignore this extremely well said criticism and just keep spamming this "human decency" angle permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] pinto@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent