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[–] 190 points 1 month ago* (49 children)

Burning gas is so extremely bad that even throwing away your old ICE car and buying a new electric car is better than driving the ICE car until it „falls apart“. This was the research finding in Switzerland, but this result was so unwelcome that the research got hidden away. https://www.republik.ch/2025/06/11/amtliche-selbstzensur

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  • [–] 32 points 1 month ago (26 children)

    oh wow I didn't know that!

    would make sense to give more a lot incentives for EV buying if so!

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    I wish they weren’t so expensive though.

    IMO the biggest incentive of all is that the battery exists for the life of the vehicle and can be recycled at the end (the lithium inside does not disappear!), vs the gas which is literally burning money away.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    They are getting a lot cheaper overall. The EV Bolt is less than $4k more than a Camry. In expensive places like California, or with gas as high as it is, you can quickly make back that additional cost and get ahead over time, especially if you are able to charge from home. And TBH the Bolt isn't that bad of a car, and get's great distance per charge.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    That and there's only so much gas, once we burn it all up it'll take millions of years to replenish. Yea, you could say the same about battery materials, but those get reused for what a decade before they start to degrade? And the actual energy is free once we have the means to harvest it (wind, solar etc are all "free" infinite energy so long as we have the panels and turbines)

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Everytime you bring it up, you get a whole lot of people with gasoline powered cars getting very angry. Sure batteries are not 'perfect', but they are a whole lot better in almost every way compared to gasoline powered vehicles.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    The anger is less about how bad EV's are and more about being expected to buy a hilariously expensive EV when someone has a perfectly functional car. Make them cheaper and people will buy them, because other than the environmental aspect EV's just require less maintenance overall, making them cheaper to run.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    I’d rather spend $100k converting an old ICE car to electric than give the auto industry another dime. The surveillance crap is literally a life or death decision for me. I have a 20y/o ice car I’ll likely have to convert, so no one try your dumb “new car math” with me.

    If any fuckers want to make what I’m doing illegal, people will die.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yes THERE is the issue that everyone seems to forget about new cars. I have a project car that I'm thinking will become an EV when it needs an engine because it will be so much easier to deal with. And it won't call home to the feds every day.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Old muscle cars converted to EV I think are so cool. There was a show that converted an old K10 truck and hid the batteries in the bed tool box.
    A 80s station wagon, a Country Squire, or 70s luxury cruiser like a Cadillac or Lincoln would be awesome.

    EVs, or just newer cars in general, are just so boring and cramped. Not to mention all the connection and surveillance concerns.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Boring, cramped, and almost impossible to see out of.

    I think Ford straight-up sells an electric motor swap that will fit right in their older cars.

    I have a weird little 4x4 that would be amazing if it were electric. I wouldn't have to worry about getting in a situation where the engine is tilted too much and it's simultaneously starving for fuel and oil.

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