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[β] merc@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 months ago (2 children) Google and Meta aren't controlling propaganda. They're just trying to make ad dollars. Propaganda is something you lose money doing, because you're spending money (or using influence) to change minds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 child) They do when itβs in their business interest, though. They absolutely spend effort to skew opinions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) That's not propaganda. That's advertising. Google and Meta are ad companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) Serious question; how are advertising and propaganda different, and are they different enough that the distinction matters? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Subtle Political advertising is most definitely propaganda permalink fedilink source parent [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago Yes, they're different enough that the distinction matters. Advertising is about selling things. The company buying an ad simply wants to sell their product or service. The advertiser simply wants to make money by showing an ad. An advertiser might accept an ad from Palantir one day and one from Amnesty International the next day. Or, in the case of Meta or Google, selling ads for both simultaneously. Propaganda isn't about making money. It's a money-losing venture. The idea is to change people's minds, typically by deceit. Some people might say that a piece about the dangers of drinking and driving is propaganda, I think most would say it's an informational message. There are cases where advertising and propaganda overlap. But, there are also many cases where they don't. It's very useful to have two distinct words to describe the two different phenomena. permalink fedilink source parent [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) You don't need to spend money to spread propaganda if you own the means of spreading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) You're still spending money because you employ the people doing the spreading. They could be doing other things, so even if they were slaves there's an opportunity cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) It's worth it though. Capitalist propaganda allows them to keep their wealth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Ok, and? What point are you trying to make? Capitalism bad? Great, what's your workable alternative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child) Democratic market socialism under a one world government. We achieve the one world government first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Any day now. Till then, maybe it would be a good idea to try to improve what we have now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Agreed. We are forced to move the world leftwards one inch at a time. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 child) They do when itβs in their business interest, though. They absolutely spend effort to skew opinions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) That's not propaganda. That's advertising. Google and Meta are ad companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) Serious question; how are advertising and propaganda different, and are they different enough that the distinction matters? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Subtle Political advertising is most definitely propaganda permalink fedilink source parent [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago Yes, they're different enough that the distinction matters. Advertising is about selling things. The company buying an ad simply wants to sell their product or service. The advertiser simply wants to make money by showing an ad. An advertiser might accept an ad from Palantir one day and one from Amnesty International the next day. Or, in the case of Meta or Google, selling ads for both simultaneously. Propaganda isn't about making money. It's a money-losing venture. The idea is to change people's minds, typically by deceit. Some people might say that a piece about the dangers of drinking and driving is propaganda, I think most would say it's an informational message. There are cases where advertising and propaganda overlap. But, there are also many cases where they don't. It's very useful to have two distinct words to describe the two different phenomena. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) That's not propaganda. That's advertising. Google and Meta are ad companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) Serious question; how are advertising and propaganda different, and are they different enough that the distinction matters? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Subtle Political advertising is most definitely propaganda permalink fedilink source parent [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago Yes, they're different enough that the distinction matters. Advertising is about selling things. The company buying an ad simply wants to sell their product or service. The advertiser simply wants to make money by showing an ad. An advertiser might accept an ad from Palantir one day and one from Amnesty International the next day. Or, in the case of Meta or Google, selling ads for both simultaneously. Propaganda isn't about making money. It's a money-losing venture. The idea is to change people's minds, typically by deceit. Some people might say that a piece about the dangers of drinking and driving is propaganda, I think most would say it's an informational message. There are cases where advertising and propaganda overlap. But, there are also many cases where they don't. It's very useful to have two distinct words to describe the two different phenomena. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) Serious question; how are advertising and propaganda different, and are they different enough that the distinction matters? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Subtle Political advertising is most definitely propaganda permalink fedilink source parent [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago Yes, they're different enough that the distinction matters. Advertising is about selling things. The company buying an ad simply wants to sell their product or service. The advertiser simply wants to make money by showing an ad. An advertiser might accept an ad from Palantir one day and one from Amnesty International the next day. Or, in the case of Meta or Google, selling ads for both simultaneously. Propaganda isn't about making money. It's a money-losing venture. The idea is to change people's minds, typically by deceit. Some people might say that a piece about the dangers of drinking and driving is propaganda, I think most would say it's an informational message. There are cases where advertising and propaganda overlap. But, there are also many cases where they don't. It's very useful to have two distinct words to describe the two different phenomena. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Subtle Political advertising is most definitely propaganda permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago Yes, they're different enough that the distinction matters. Advertising is about selling things. The company buying an ad simply wants to sell their product or service. The advertiser simply wants to make money by showing an ad. An advertiser might accept an ad from Palantir one day and one from Amnesty International the next day. Or, in the case of Meta or Google, selling ads for both simultaneously. Propaganda isn't about making money. It's a money-losing venture. The idea is to change people's minds, typically by deceit. Some people might say that a piece about the dangers of drinking and driving is propaganda, I think most would say it's an informational message. There are cases where advertising and propaganda overlap. But, there are also many cases where they don't. It's very useful to have two distinct words to describe the two different phenomena. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) You don't need to spend money to spread propaganda if you own the means of spreading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) You're still spending money because you employ the people doing the spreading. They could be doing other things, so even if they were slaves there's an opportunity cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) It's worth it though. Capitalist propaganda allows them to keep their wealth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Ok, and? What point are you trying to make? Capitalism bad? Great, what's your workable alternative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child) Democratic market socialism under a one world government. We achieve the one world government first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Any day now. Till then, maybe it would be a good idea to try to improve what we have now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Agreed. We are forced to move the world leftwards one inch at a time. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) You're still spending money because you employ the people doing the spreading. They could be doing other things, so even if they were slaves there's an opportunity cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) It's worth it though. Capitalist propaganda allows them to keep their wealth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Ok, and? What point are you trying to make? Capitalism bad? Great, what's your workable alternative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child) Democratic market socialism under a one world government. We achieve the one world government first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Any day now. Till then, maybe it would be a good idea to try to improve what we have now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Agreed. We are forced to move the world leftwards one inch at a time. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) It's worth it though. Capitalist propaganda allows them to keep their wealth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Ok, and? What point are you trying to make? Capitalism bad? Great, what's your workable alternative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child) Democratic market socialism under a one world government. We achieve the one world government first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Any day now. Till then, maybe it would be a good idea to try to improve what we have now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Agreed. We are forced to move the world leftwards one inch at a time. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Ok, and? What point are you trying to make? Capitalism bad? Great, what's your workable alternative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child) Democratic market socialism under a one world government. We achieve the one world government first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Any day now. Till then, maybe it would be a good idea to try to improve what we have now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Agreed. We are forced to move the world leftwards one inch at a time. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child) Democratic market socialism under a one world government. We achieve the one world government first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Any day now. Till then, maybe it would be a good idea to try to improve what we have now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Agreed. We are forced to move the world leftwards one inch at a time. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Any day now. Till then, maybe it would be a good idea to try to improve what we have now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Agreed. We are forced to move the world leftwards one inch at a time. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Agreed. We are forced to move the world leftwards one inch at a time. permalink fedilink source parent
