▲ 1607 ▼ They are a cancer on society (lemmy.world) submitted 2 months ago by K1nsey6@lemmy.world [M] to c/latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world 193 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] PillowD@lemmy.world 52 points 2 months ago (3 children) Do a Luigi. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 months ago (1 child) He didn't kill anyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PillowD@lemmy.world -25 points 2 months ago (1 child) Rapists and child molesters don't kill anyone either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grazed@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago* I think he's saying Luigi Mangione is innocent. Not Brian Thompson, or whatever that fucker's name was permalink fedilink source parent [–] Siethron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Well there was a board meeting going on at that Hotel... permalink fedilink source parent [+] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net -56 points 2 months ago (13 children) Oh ffs. Irrespective of the morality of Luigi's (alleged) actions (and let me emphasize here: killing people is wrong, even when the people are health care CEOs) he didn't do shit to change the system. He killed one guy. He inspired some memes. He got a bunch of CEOs to increase their personal security. Big fucking deal. CEOs are fungible. Luigi killed one. His corporation replaced him, just like a broken part in a machine. Nothing changed and the world moved on. The broken health care industry will be fixed - if it's ever fixed - by government action. We need single payer. We need universal taxpayer-funded health care for all. And we're not going to get that by shooting CEOs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 months ago Luigi caused a wave of insurance companies to pause killing people for profit for a moment. Nothing else has ever come close so far. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PillowD@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago "Nothing changed." Killing Brian Thompson had a real, if temporary, effect. They denied fewer claims. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago* And the shooting of that CEO made health insurance panic to the point that they approved almost every request for care for the first time ever. There are literally thousands, if not tens of thousands, that are alive today, thanks to the industries panic response to that shooting leading to mass approvals. Single Payer/Medicare for all is the ideal, but until we get there.. there is a clear mechanism to make the system better and act in the interests of patients. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago Ah, so, do many Luigis! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 23 points 2 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago Insurance companies pay exorbitant amounts of money to tell politicians that single payer insurance isn’t a feasible option. Insurance companies lose a lot of money when they have to hire a new CEO because the other one died. For several months after the UHC CEO was shot, cases were denied significantly less often and were handled much faster than usual. This cost the insurance companies money too. In other words, if you’d like your vote for single-payer insurance to ever be heard, you have to quit down the really loud insurance companies and the only way to do that is to burn their pockets. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hello_there@fedia.io 19 points 2 months ago If 1 Luigi doesn't work, 10 might do the job. Gotta throw enough at it for change to be permanent permalink fedilink source parent [–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago let me emphasize here: killing people is wrong, even when the people are health care CEOs Hard disagree. It's wrong EXCEPT for them and others in their club. In their cases it is a moral imperative that all of us should be called to fulfill by our basic humanity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago You don't know that we won't get universal health care by shooting the CEOs of health care companies. This is just virtue signaling for capitalism and it's fucking lame. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mr_sunburn@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago If we oppose terrorist acts, it is only because individual revenge does not satisfy us. The account we have to settle with the capitalist system is too great to be presented to some functionary called a minister. To learn to see all the crimes against humanity, all the indignities to which the human body and spirit are subjected, as the twisted outgrowths and expressions of the existing social system, in order to direct all our energies into a collective struggle against this system—that is the direction in which the burning desire for revenge can find its highest moral satisfaction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deviantfemboi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago but we haven't tried yet permalink fedilink source parent [–] goosygirl@thelemmy.club 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) One healthcare CEO is dead. UHC promptly replaces him and the system goes on as usual. This is what Luigi did not know, it is near impossible to go after a corporation because its a machine with legal personhood! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago Kill enough UH CEOs and nobody will want to be one. permalink fedilink source parent [+] parrhesia@sh.itjust.works -8 points 2 months ago (1 child) I like how your response was sensible but got downvoted so much lol Every one calls for a Luigi but no one wants be a Luigi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net -1 points 2 months ago And frankly, a wave of Luigis would be actively harmful to the cause of fixing US health care. We had a wave of "propaganda of the deed" anarchist assassins and bombers in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Their "direct action" against members of European royalty discredited their cause in the public eye, and tainted not only them but peaceful anarchist movements beside them. And then an anarchist shot the wrong person and started World War I, showing that propaganda of the deed may not be able to make the world better, but it sure as hell can make it worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 months ago (1 child) He didn't kill anyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PillowD@lemmy.world -25 points 2 months ago (1 child) Rapists and child molesters don't kill anyone either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grazed@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago* I think he's saying Luigi Mangione is innocent. Not Brian Thompson, or whatever that fucker's name was permalink fedilink source parent
[+] PillowD@lemmy.world -25 points 2 months ago (1 child) Rapists and child molesters don't kill anyone either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grazed@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago* I think he's saying Luigi Mangione is innocent. Not Brian Thompson, or whatever that fucker's name was permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grazed@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago* I think he's saying Luigi Mangione is innocent. Not Brian Thompson, or whatever that fucker's name was permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Siethron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Well there was a board meeting going on at that Hotel... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net -56 points 2 months ago (13 children) Oh ffs. Irrespective of the morality of Luigi's (alleged) actions (and let me emphasize here: killing people is wrong, even when the people are health care CEOs) he didn't do shit to change the system. He killed one guy. He inspired some memes. He got a bunch of CEOs to increase their personal security. Big fucking deal. CEOs are fungible. Luigi killed one. His corporation replaced him, just like a broken part in a machine. Nothing changed and the world moved on. The broken health care industry will be fixed - if it's ever fixed - by government action. We need single payer. We need universal taxpayer-funded health care for all. And we're not going to get that by shooting CEOs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 months ago Luigi caused a wave of insurance companies to pause killing people for profit for a moment. Nothing else has ever come close so far. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PillowD@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago "Nothing changed." Killing Brian Thompson had a real, if temporary, effect. They denied fewer claims. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago* And the shooting of that CEO made health insurance panic to the point that they approved almost every request for care for the first time ever. There are literally thousands, if not tens of thousands, that are alive today, thanks to the industries panic response to that shooting leading to mass approvals. Single Payer/Medicare for all is the ideal, but until we get there.. there is a clear mechanism to make the system better and act in the interests of patients. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago Ah, so, do many Luigis! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 23 points 2 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago Insurance companies pay exorbitant amounts of money to tell politicians that single payer insurance isn’t a feasible option. Insurance companies lose a lot of money when they have to hire a new CEO because the other one died. For several months after the UHC CEO was shot, cases were denied significantly less often and were handled much faster than usual. This cost the insurance companies money too. In other words, if you’d like your vote for single-payer insurance to ever be heard, you have to quit down the really loud insurance companies and the only way to do that is to burn their pockets. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hello_there@fedia.io 19 points 2 months ago If 1 Luigi doesn't work, 10 might do the job. Gotta throw enough at it for change to be permanent permalink fedilink source parent [–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago let me emphasize here: killing people is wrong, even when the people are health care CEOs Hard disagree. It's wrong EXCEPT for them and others in their club. In their cases it is a moral imperative that all of us should be called to fulfill by our basic humanity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago You don't know that we won't get universal health care by shooting the CEOs of health care companies. This is just virtue signaling for capitalism and it's fucking lame. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mr_sunburn@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago If we oppose terrorist acts, it is only because individual revenge does not satisfy us. The account we have to settle with the capitalist system is too great to be presented to some functionary called a minister. To learn to see all the crimes against humanity, all the indignities to which the human body and spirit are subjected, as the twisted outgrowths and expressions of the existing social system, in order to direct all our energies into a collective struggle against this system—that is the direction in which the burning desire for revenge can find its highest moral satisfaction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deviantfemboi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago but we haven't tried yet permalink fedilink source parent [–] goosygirl@thelemmy.club 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) One healthcare CEO is dead. UHC promptly replaces him and the system goes on as usual. This is what Luigi did not know, it is near impossible to go after a corporation because its a machine with legal personhood! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago Kill enough UH CEOs and nobody will want to be one. permalink fedilink source parent [+] parrhesia@sh.itjust.works -8 points 2 months ago (1 child) I like how your response was sensible but got downvoted so much lol Every one calls for a Luigi but no one wants be a Luigi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net -1 points 2 months ago And frankly, a wave of Luigis would be actively harmful to the cause of fixing US health care. We had a wave of "propaganda of the deed" anarchist assassins and bombers in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Their "direct action" against members of European royalty discredited their cause in the public eye, and tainted not only them but peaceful anarchist movements beside them. And then an anarchist shot the wrong person and started World War I, showing that propaganda of the deed may not be able to make the world better, but it sure as hell can make it worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 months ago Luigi caused a wave of insurance companies to pause killing people for profit for a moment. Nothing else has ever come close so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PillowD@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago "Nothing changed." Killing Brian Thompson had a real, if temporary, effect. They denied fewer claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago* And the shooting of that CEO made health insurance panic to the point that they approved almost every request for care for the first time ever. There are literally thousands, if not tens of thousands, that are alive today, thanks to the industries panic response to that shooting leading to mass approvals. Single Payer/Medicare for all is the ideal, but until we get there.. there is a clear mechanism to make the system better and act in the interests of patients. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago Ah, so, do many Luigis! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago Insurance companies pay exorbitant amounts of money to tell politicians that single payer insurance isn’t a feasible option. Insurance companies lose a lot of money when they have to hire a new CEO because the other one died. For several months after the UHC CEO was shot, cases were denied significantly less often and were handled much faster than usual. This cost the insurance companies money too. In other words, if you’d like your vote for single-payer insurance to ever be heard, you have to quit down the really loud insurance companies and the only way to do that is to burn their pockets. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 19 points 2 months ago If 1 Luigi doesn't work, 10 might do the job. Gotta throw enough at it for change to be permanent permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago let me emphasize here: killing people is wrong, even when the people are health care CEOs Hard disagree. It's wrong EXCEPT for them and others in their club. In their cases it is a moral imperative that all of us should be called to fulfill by our basic humanity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago You don't know that we won't get universal health care by shooting the CEOs of health care companies. This is just virtue signaling for capitalism and it's fucking lame. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mr_sunburn@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago If we oppose terrorist acts, it is only because individual revenge does not satisfy us. The account we have to settle with the capitalist system is too great to be presented to some functionary called a minister. To learn to see all the crimes against humanity, all the indignities to which the human body and spirit are subjected, as the twisted outgrowths and expressions of the existing social system, in order to direct all our energies into a collective struggle against this system—that is the direction in which the burning desire for revenge can find its highest moral satisfaction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deviantfemboi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago but we haven't tried yet permalink fedilink source parent
[–] goosygirl@thelemmy.club 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) One healthcare CEO is dead. UHC promptly replaces him and the system goes on as usual. This is what Luigi did not know, it is near impossible to go after a corporation because its a machine with legal personhood! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago Kill enough UH CEOs and nobody will want to be one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago Kill enough UH CEOs and nobody will want to be one. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] parrhesia@sh.itjust.works -8 points 2 months ago (1 child) I like how your response was sensible but got downvoted so much lol Every one calls for a Luigi but no one wants be a Luigi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net -1 points 2 months ago And frankly, a wave of Luigis would be actively harmful to the cause of fixing US health care. We had a wave of "propaganda of the deed" anarchist assassins and bombers in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Their "direct action" against members of European royalty discredited their cause in the public eye, and tainted not only them but peaceful anarchist movements beside them. And then an anarchist shot the wrong person and started World War I, showing that propaganda of the deed may not be able to make the world better, but it sure as hell can make it worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net -1 points 2 months ago And frankly, a wave of Luigis would be actively harmful to the cause of fixing US health care. We had a wave of "propaganda of the deed" anarchist assassins and bombers in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Their "direct action" against members of European royalty discredited their cause in the public eye, and tainted not only them but peaceful anarchist movements beside them. And then an anarchist shot the wrong person and started World War I, showing that propaganda of the deed may not be able to make the world better, but it sure as hell can make it worse. permalink fedilink source parent