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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 110 points 3 months ago (1 child) But both know how to use apps. What more can Corpos ask for? permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 84 points 3 months ago (3 children) I hate how true this is. Watching teens flail and panic at the library as they have to spontaneously learn how to use a non-chromeOS computer has been an upsettingly nostalgic reminder of one of my first jobs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 61 points 3 months ago (3 children) The key concept conflict is they think files are inside apps (I teach some basic IT in one of my modules). When asked to locate an excel file on their computer they point at excel and say the file is in excel. If you show them a .txt file, they'll claim it's in notepad. The idea that a file is like a book, and the program is the glasses you use to read it, and their computer is the bookshelf seems to resonate well though. Then you just have to fight the clusterfuck that is Apple's file storage, since most bring an apple device to uni. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 months ago* (1 child) It can be even more fundamental than that. I’ve seen people cocking their heads at the existence of multiple windows and programs running simultaneously. As in, “whoa, where’d my assignment go?” after they click on the browser. They’re used to everything running through a single window due to school computers offering everything through the browser. It’s terrifying to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago Honestly, I've not had that one but I've seen something close. Some students are unaware they need to manually save sometimes, they just assume autosave is always there. For Microsoft office this tends to be ok (OneDrive default doing something good for once), but once they step out (into SPSS/minitab/R) there is always some lost work in the first two weeks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 months ago they point at excel and say the file is in excel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) the clusterfuck that is Apple's file storage Out of genuine curiosity: What makes this so bad? I've been in similar teaching situations myself, and find that Finder in column-view is pretty helpful for helping people learn to navigate their file system. One of the first things I do is drop a link to the root folder in their favourites-menu in Finder, then tell them to try to navigate to whatever they need from there, and open it with "Open with". Usually, they start understanding the concept of a file system pretty quickly after that. Edit: The fuckery that is "iCloud trying to trick you into thinking that files on the cloud are actually stored locally" can go fuck itself though. I've had way too many cases of people suddenly discovering that they have exactly zero files on their computer, because "Desktop" and "Documents" turned out to be links to iCloud... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Yeah, it's the iCloud-local issue. I swear, almost all of them default to that. It plays fine with R 90% of the time, but when it borks it takes FOREVER to troubleshoot! permalink fedilink source parent [–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (2 children) Watching them use the card catalog. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 22 points 3 months ago (1 child) Use a slide rule and protractor to find the card catalog. Now write your name in cursive to check out a book. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shweddy@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (2 children) Writing cuneiform on wax tablets with styli permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago scoffs Writing things down?!? If you do that you'll cease to exercise your memory and will grow to rely on external means. Back in my day we built our memory. (If you're not familiar this was basically Socrates' (as portrayed by Plato) view on writing things down) permalink fedilink source parent [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (2 children) That better be in Latin this time, young man! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago I was born in the late 1900s, I can only go back so far. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago "Romans, they go home?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) There are YouTube channels with letting the youth try to figure out old tech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago You mean the Fine Bros.? The people who tried to copyright the idea of reacting to things on YouTube and wanted to make people buy a license to keep doing what they had already been doing? Those channels? https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/the-fine-brothers permalink fedilink source parent [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) those teens obviously were forced into consumerism by their parents and corpos permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p4rzivalrp2@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) *schools and corpos permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) I know a teenager whose parents stopped her from using FOSS and getting Linux on her own computer because it was "impulsive and would mess things up" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p4rzivalrp2@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago That's a small subset of parents though, most schools use Chromebooks with enterprise enrollment and no Linux dev environment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 84 points 3 months ago (3 children) I hate how true this is. Watching teens flail and panic at the library as they have to spontaneously learn how to use a non-chromeOS computer has been an upsettingly nostalgic reminder of one of my first jobs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 61 points 3 months ago (3 children) The key concept conflict is they think files are inside apps (I teach some basic IT in one of my modules). When asked to locate an excel file on their computer they point at excel and say the file is in excel. If you show them a .txt file, they'll claim it's in notepad. The idea that a file is like a book, and the program is the glasses you use to read it, and their computer is the bookshelf seems to resonate well though. Then you just have to fight the clusterfuck that is Apple's file storage, since most bring an apple device to uni. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 months ago* (1 child) It can be even more fundamental than that. I’ve seen people cocking their heads at the existence of multiple windows and programs running simultaneously. As in, “whoa, where’d my assignment go?” after they click on the browser. They’re used to everything running through a single window due to school computers offering everything through the browser. It’s terrifying to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago Honestly, I've not had that one but I've seen something close. Some students are unaware they need to manually save sometimes, they just assume autosave is always there. For Microsoft office this tends to be ok (OneDrive default doing something good for once), but once they step out (into SPSS/minitab/R) there is always some lost work in the first two weeks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 months ago they point at excel and say the file is in excel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) the clusterfuck that is Apple's file storage Out of genuine curiosity: What makes this so bad? I've been in similar teaching situations myself, and find that Finder in column-view is pretty helpful for helping people learn to navigate their file system. One of the first things I do is drop a link to the root folder in their favourites-menu in Finder, then tell them to try to navigate to whatever they need from there, and open it with "Open with". Usually, they start understanding the concept of a file system pretty quickly after that. Edit: The fuckery that is "iCloud trying to trick you into thinking that files on the cloud are actually stored locally" can go fuck itself though. I've had way too many cases of people suddenly discovering that they have exactly zero files on their computer, because "Desktop" and "Documents" turned out to be links to iCloud... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Yeah, it's the iCloud-local issue. I swear, almost all of them default to that. It plays fine with R 90% of the time, but when it borks it takes FOREVER to troubleshoot! permalink fedilink source parent [–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (2 children) Watching them use the card catalog. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 22 points 3 months ago (1 child) Use a slide rule and protractor to find the card catalog. Now write your name in cursive to check out a book. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shweddy@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (2 children) Writing cuneiform on wax tablets with styli permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago scoffs Writing things down?!? If you do that you'll cease to exercise your memory and will grow to rely on external means. Back in my day we built our memory. (If you're not familiar this was basically Socrates' (as portrayed by Plato) view on writing things down) permalink fedilink source parent [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (2 children) That better be in Latin this time, young man! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago I was born in the late 1900s, I can only go back so far. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago "Romans, they go home?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) There are YouTube channels with letting the youth try to figure out old tech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago You mean the Fine Bros.? The people who tried to copyright the idea of reacting to things on YouTube and wanted to make people buy a license to keep doing what they had already been doing? Those channels? https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/the-fine-brothers permalink fedilink source parent [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) those teens obviously were forced into consumerism by their parents and corpos permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p4rzivalrp2@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) *schools and corpos permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) I know a teenager whose parents stopped her from using FOSS and getting Linux on her own computer because it was "impulsive and would mess things up" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p4rzivalrp2@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago That's a small subset of parents though, most schools use Chromebooks with enterprise enrollment and no Linux dev environment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 61 points 3 months ago (3 children) The key concept conflict is they think files are inside apps (I teach some basic IT in one of my modules). When asked to locate an excel file on their computer they point at excel and say the file is in excel. If you show them a .txt file, they'll claim it's in notepad. The idea that a file is like a book, and the program is the glasses you use to read it, and their computer is the bookshelf seems to resonate well though. Then you just have to fight the clusterfuck that is Apple's file storage, since most bring an apple device to uni. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 months ago* (1 child) It can be even more fundamental than that. I’ve seen people cocking their heads at the existence of multiple windows and programs running simultaneously. As in, “whoa, where’d my assignment go?” after they click on the browser. They’re used to everything running through a single window due to school computers offering everything through the browser. It’s terrifying to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago Honestly, I've not had that one but I've seen something close. Some students are unaware they need to manually save sometimes, they just assume autosave is always there. For Microsoft office this tends to be ok (OneDrive default doing something good for once), but once they step out (into SPSS/minitab/R) there is always some lost work in the first two weeks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 months ago they point at excel and say the file is in excel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) the clusterfuck that is Apple's file storage Out of genuine curiosity: What makes this so bad? I've been in similar teaching situations myself, and find that Finder in column-view is pretty helpful for helping people learn to navigate their file system. One of the first things I do is drop a link to the root folder in their favourites-menu in Finder, then tell them to try to navigate to whatever they need from there, and open it with "Open with". Usually, they start understanding the concept of a file system pretty quickly after that. Edit: The fuckery that is "iCloud trying to trick you into thinking that files on the cloud are actually stored locally" can go fuck itself though. I've had way too many cases of people suddenly discovering that they have exactly zero files on their computer, because "Desktop" and "Documents" turned out to be links to iCloud... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Yeah, it's the iCloud-local issue. I swear, almost all of them default to that. It plays fine with R 90% of the time, but when it borks it takes FOREVER to troubleshoot! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 months ago* (1 child) It can be even more fundamental than that. I’ve seen people cocking their heads at the existence of multiple windows and programs running simultaneously. As in, “whoa, where’d my assignment go?” after they click on the browser. They’re used to everything running through a single window due to school computers offering everything through the browser. It’s terrifying to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago Honestly, I've not had that one but I've seen something close. Some students are unaware they need to manually save sometimes, they just assume autosave is always there. For Microsoft office this tends to be ok (OneDrive default doing something good for once), but once they step out (into SPSS/minitab/R) there is always some lost work in the first two weeks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago Honestly, I've not had that one but I've seen something close. Some students are unaware they need to manually save sometimes, they just assume autosave is always there. For Microsoft office this tends to be ok (OneDrive default doing something good for once), but once they step out (into SPSS/minitab/R) there is always some lost work in the first two weeks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 months ago they point at excel and say the file is in excel. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) the clusterfuck that is Apple's file storage Out of genuine curiosity: What makes this so bad? I've been in similar teaching situations myself, and find that Finder in column-view is pretty helpful for helping people learn to navigate their file system. One of the first things I do is drop a link to the root folder in their favourites-menu in Finder, then tell them to try to navigate to whatever they need from there, and open it with "Open with". Usually, they start understanding the concept of a file system pretty quickly after that. Edit: The fuckery that is "iCloud trying to trick you into thinking that files on the cloud are actually stored locally" can go fuck itself though. I've had way too many cases of people suddenly discovering that they have exactly zero files on their computer, because "Desktop" and "Documents" turned out to be links to iCloud... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Yeah, it's the iCloud-local issue. I swear, almost all of them default to that. It plays fine with R 90% of the time, but when it borks it takes FOREVER to troubleshoot! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Yeah, it's the iCloud-local issue. I swear, almost all of them default to that. It plays fine with R 90% of the time, but when it borks it takes FOREVER to troubleshoot! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (2 children) Watching them use the card catalog. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 22 points 3 months ago (1 child) Use a slide rule and protractor to find the card catalog. Now write your name in cursive to check out a book. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shweddy@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (2 children) Writing cuneiform on wax tablets with styli permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago scoffs Writing things down?!? If you do that you'll cease to exercise your memory and will grow to rely on external means. Back in my day we built our memory. (If you're not familiar this was basically Socrates' (as portrayed by Plato) view on writing things down) permalink fedilink source parent [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (2 children) That better be in Latin this time, young man! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago I was born in the late 1900s, I can only go back so far. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago "Romans, they go home?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) There are YouTube channels with letting the youth try to figure out old tech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago You mean the Fine Bros.? The people who tried to copyright the idea of reacting to things on YouTube and wanted to make people buy a license to keep doing what they had already been doing? Those channels? https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/the-fine-brothers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 22 points 3 months ago (1 child) Use a slide rule and protractor to find the card catalog. Now write your name in cursive to check out a book. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shweddy@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (2 children) Writing cuneiform on wax tablets with styli permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago scoffs Writing things down?!? If you do that you'll cease to exercise your memory and will grow to rely on external means. Back in my day we built our memory. (If you're not familiar this was basically Socrates' (as portrayed by Plato) view on writing things down) permalink fedilink source parent [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (2 children) That better be in Latin this time, young man! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago I was born in the late 1900s, I can only go back so far. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago "Romans, they go home?" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shweddy@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (2 children) Writing cuneiform on wax tablets with styli permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago scoffs Writing things down?!? If you do that you'll cease to exercise your memory and will grow to rely on external means. Back in my day we built our memory. (If you're not familiar this was basically Socrates' (as portrayed by Plato) view on writing things down) permalink fedilink source parent [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (2 children) That better be in Latin this time, young man! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago I was born in the late 1900s, I can only go back so far. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago "Romans, they go home?" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago scoffs Writing things down?!? If you do that you'll cease to exercise your memory and will grow to rely on external means. Back in my day we built our memory. (If you're not familiar this was basically Socrates' (as portrayed by Plato) view on writing things down) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (2 children) That better be in Latin this time, young man! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago I was born in the late 1900s, I can only go back so far. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago "Romans, they go home?" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago I was born in the late 1900s, I can only go back so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago "Romans, they go home?" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) There are YouTube channels with letting the youth try to figure out old tech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago You mean the Fine Bros.? The people who tried to copyright the idea of reacting to things on YouTube and wanted to make people buy a license to keep doing what they had already been doing? Those channels? https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/the-fine-brothers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago You mean the Fine Bros.? The people who tried to copyright the idea of reacting to things on YouTube and wanted to make people buy a license to keep doing what they had already been doing? Those channels? https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/the-fine-brothers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) those teens obviously were forced into consumerism by their parents and corpos permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p4rzivalrp2@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) *schools and corpos permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) I know a teenager whose parents stopped her from using FOSS and getting Linux on her own computer because it was "impulsive and would mess things up" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p4rzivalrp2@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago That's a small subset of parents though, most schools use Chromebooks with enterprise enrollment and no Linux dev environment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] p4rzivalrp2@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) *schools and corpos permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) I know a teenager whose parents stopped her from using FOSS and getting Linux on her own computer because it was "impulsive and would mess things up" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p4rzivalrp2@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago That's a small subset of parents though, most schools use Chromebooks with enterprise enrollment and no Linux dev environment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) I know a teenager whose parents stopped her from using FOSS and getting Linux on her own computer because it was "impulsive and would mess things up" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p4rzivalrp2@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago That's a small subset of parents though, most schools use Chromebooks with enterprise enrollment and no Linux dev environment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] p4rzivalrp2@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago That's a small subset of parents though, most schools use Chromebooks with enterprise enrollment and no Linux dev environment permalink fedilink source parent
