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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 child) The real choice is capitalism or democracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) These aren't opposites. Democracy is a system of governance, capitalism is a system of economics. A society can be both at the same time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Europe has figured it out so has New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Japan, and so on. In fact, only capitalist systems have ever produced genuine democracies. All the socialist examples in history were authoritarian governed by an unelected ruling elite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) Things don't need to be opposites to affect each other in predictable ways. They are both decision making processes where different groups hold power over society's resources. Democracy very much has economic power and Capitalism is very much about who gets to make certain decisions. They have what you might call... friction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) That's how all societies work though. We live in a world where sacristy is reality, and therefore there will always be people competing to control the same limited resources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MML@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Okay, give me your wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago That's not competition. I don't think you understand what that means. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) I can list at least one. Can't think of a communist democracy, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) To be fair, any of the counties that attempted it had a coup enacted by fascist capitalist countries to prevent them from doing so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago That's just cope. The reality is that communism is fundamentally flawed to the point where failure was always going to be the inevitable outcome. That's why despite a century of nonstop attempts across all cultures and lands, not a single attempt panned out well. They all either collapsed or reverted to some version of capitalism. The opposite never happened. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 point 3 months ago We can measure how democratic a country is by how much its actions favor the people rather than the capitalists. Most communist countries, particularly Cuba are more democratic than any country ruled by capital. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) These aren't opposites. Democracy is a system of governance, capitalism is a system of economics. A society can be both at the same time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Europe has figured it out so has New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Japan, and so on. In fact, only capitalist systems have ever produced genuine democracies. All the socialist examples in history were authoritarian governed by an unelected ruling elite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) Things don't need to be opposites to affect each other in predictable ways. They are both decision making processes where different groups hold power over society's resources. Democracy very much has economic power and Capitalism is very much about who gets to make certain decisions. They have what you might call... friction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) That's how all societies work though. We live in a world where sacristy is reality, and therefore there will always be people competing to control the same limited resources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MML@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Okay, give me your wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago That's not competition. I don't think you understand what that means. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) I can list at least one. Can't think of a communist democracy, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) To be fair, any of the counties that attempted it had a coup enacted by fascist capitalist countries to prevent them from doing so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago That's just cope. The reality is that communism is fundamentally flawed to the point where failure was always going to be the inevitable outcome. That's why despite a century of nonstop attempts across all cultures and lands, not a single attempt panned out well. They all either collapsed or reverted to some version of capitalism. The opposite never happened. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 point 3 months ago We can measure how democratic a country is by how much its actions favor the people rather than the capitalists. Most communist countries, particularly Cuba are more democratic than any country ruled by capital. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Europe has figured it out so has New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Japan, and so on. In fact, only capitalist systems have ever produced genuine democracies. All the socialist examples in history were authoritarian governed by an unelected ruling elite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Europe has figured it out so has New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Japan, and so on. In fact, only capitalist systems have ever produced genuine democracies. All the socialist examples in history were authoritarian governed by an unelected ruling elite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) Things don't need to be opposites to affect each other in predictable ways. They are both decision making processes where different groups hold power over society's resources. Democracy very much has economic power and Capitalism is very much about who gets to make certain decisions. They have what you might call... friction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) That's how all societies work though. We live in a world where sacristy is reality, and therefore there will always be people competing to control the same limited resources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MML@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Okay, give me your wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago That's not competition. I don't think you understand what that means. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) That's how all societies work though. We live in a world where sacristy is reality, and therefore there will always be people competing to control the same limited resources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MML@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Okay, give me your wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago That's not competition. I don't think you understand what that means. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MML@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Okay, give me your wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago That's not competition. I don't think you understand what that means. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago That's not competition. I don't think you understand what that means. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) I can list at least one. Can't think of a communist democracy, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) To be fair, any of the counties that attempted it had a coup enacted by fascist capitalist countries to prevent them from doing so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago That's just cope. The reality is that communism is fundamentally flawed to the point where failure was always going to be the inevitable outcome. That's why despite a century of nonstop attempts across all cultures and lands, not a single attempt panned out well. They all either collapsed or reverted to some version of capitalism. The opposite never happened. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 point 3 months ago We can measure how democratic a country is by how much its actions favor the people rather than the capitalists. Most communist countries, particularly Cuba are more democratic than any country ruled by capital. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) To be fair, any of the counties that attempted it had a coup enacted by fascist capitalist countries to prevent them from doing so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago That's just cope. The reality is that communism is fundamentally flawed to the point where failure was always going to be the inevitable outcome. That's why despite a century of nonstop attempts across all cultures and lands, not a single attempt panned out well. They all either collapsed or reverted to some version of capitalism. The opposite never happened. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago That's just cope. The reality is that communism is fundamentally flawed to the point where failure was always going to be the inevitable outcome. That's why despite a century of nonstop attempts across all cultures and lands, not a single attempt panned out well. They all either collapsed or reverted to some version of capitalism. The opposite never happened. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 point 3 months ago We can measure how democratic a country is by how much its actions favor the people rather than the capitalists. Most communist countries, particularly Cuba are more democratic than any country ruled by capital. permalink fedilink source parent
