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had this convo just yesterday πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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[–] -3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

It's not about reading level. If someone has a low reading level due to disability, they should enjoy what they can, and if it's not disability just reading anything will eventually fix that. It's about the content. If someone is capable of understanding adult content and chooses to surround themselves with childish themes they are pathetic man/woman/person-babies.

It's not about easy or unchallenging. I'm not sitting here only reading great literature or things filled with purple prose using sat vocab words. Around 70% of what I read is sci-fi/fantasy and I read A LOT, so my quality bar has to drop pretty low to keep me occupied in between the really good stuff. Again, it's about adult vs. childish themes.

I'm sorry, but I feel like you're being a little disingenuous here. I don't think you need me to write an essay differentiating between various types of media. I think you know exactly what I mean when I mention people that refuse to grow up and continue to consume childish media well into adulthood.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    No, I didn't know what you meant, and I think all the hate you're getting suggests you're doing a poor job of communicating effectively and it's not a me-problem.

    I'm not trying to be disingenuous, but I do see that I've conflated reading level with target audience, but my initial argument still stands if we swap that out. When I said I enjoy reading books at a 5th grade reading level, I meant books whose target audience is middle schoolers.

    Consuming "childish" media β‰  refusing to grow up. I think that's a very important distinction to make, and your comments in this thread seem to be conflating the two. At the same time though, what's wrong with "refusing to grow up"? Why is it so important to you that others be mature?

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I think "hate" is a bit strong, simple disagreement I hope. But I've been pretty clear. The responses are probably mostly from two kinds of people: people that don't like being called children and people who get offended on others behalf and like to argue for the sake of arguing.

    As far as you enjoying books with a target audience of 5th graders; I honestly don't know what to say to that that I haven't already. I can't imagine what a healthy adult could possibly get out of that. I remember those books fondly, but reading them now?

    Surrounding yourself with the trappings of childhood into adulthood is refusing to grow up to some extent. Peter Pan syndrome isn't an actual clinical diagnosis, but it seems like an awful way to live, and awful people to be around. I wouldn't choose to hang out with a bunch of 15 year olds, why would I spend time with anyone that acted as if they were? Why someone would want to deny themselves the richness of a full life is just as puzzeling as why they wouldn't expect people to judge them for it and avoid them.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This perspective is so foreign to me. It's a valid opinion ofc, which I can respect, but I don't respect the overt judgement- it's the needless shitting on people that I think is a problem, and it honestly comes across as insecure and, ironically, a little immature.

    In my clinical experience as a therapist, it's often actually an indication of health for adults to partake in such things.

    You talk like your perspective is the natural default, but I think it's not, and I think this says a lot more about you than it does others.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I freely admit that I lack tack, but that's another discussion.

    I don't claim to have any clinical experience but when a person consumes media with plot points and conflict designed to have a teen identify with it, I find that very off-putting (without mitigating circumstances), and assume their inner world is that of a child's.

    If I'm catching up with someone and I ask them "whatcha reading" and they respond with a children's book without any qualifier like "to my kid" or "with my kid so we can talk about it", I'm going to question if this is someone I want to spend time with.

    I don't know about "natural default", that might be too generous. But if someone never makes it past their teens, I'm going to think certain things about them.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I... assume their inner world is that of a child's.

    if someone never makes it past their teens...

    Consuming media designed for a younger audience does not inherently mean these things, and in fact likely only ever very rarely does

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Well, no- this part isn't about opinion. You're just wrong about this part. Agree to disagree on the rest though, sure

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I can't imagine what a healthy adult could possibly get out of that.

    Joy. What one person gets joy out of another person may not get joy out of and that's fine. But when you attempt to be the Theif of joy just because you don't like where a person is getting it from (even when that hurts literally no one), to the point where you think it's okay to shame them for it (which is basically bullying), I have to wonder a lot about not just your motives but your attempt to rationalize your own behavior.

    Just because you don't do something doesn't mean it's not okay for other people. Your arbitrary deductions about their choices don't entitle you to judge them or to try to penalize them just because you would have done differently.

    It costs you nothing to let people enjoy the things they want to enjoy when they aren't hurting you.

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