▲ 111 ▼ The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil (www.space.com) submitted 2 years ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to c/earthscience@mander.xyz 31 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 39 points 2 years ago (3 children) I thought the ozone hole was supposed to be shrinking? permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) China. We show that emissions from eastern mainland China are 7.0 ± 3.0 (±1 standard deviation) gigagrams per year higher in 2014–2017 than in 2008–2012, and that the increase in emissions arises primarily around the northeastern provinces of Shandong and Hebei. This increase accounts for a substantial fraction (at least 40 to 60 per cent) of the global rise in CFC-11 emissions. We find no evidence for a significant increase in CFC-11 emissions from any other eastern Asian countries or other regions of the world where there are available data for the detection of regional emissions. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1193-4 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Read my comment. The hole is healing, it isn't healed. It no longer poses a threat to most populations, but it ebbs and flows. Estimates for total healing (pre-1980 levels) are 2040. permalink fedilink source parent [–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) I thought it was gone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I was told it was fixed. WTF? Like the ozone thing was the last time humanity came together and fixed a problem instead saying it was a LiBrUl oZone hole. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, that’s what I heard too. And it was because of CFC’s and wasn’t related to climate change. Once CFCs were outlawed, I heard the hole in the ozone was fixing itself (and ultimately fixed). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zron@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Seen a lot of “trades” videos out of china with refrigerant cylinders in the back that look suspiciously like R-12 and R-22 cylinders. You know, the refrigerants that were eating into the ozone layer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fucking hell. Thanks China. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They signed the Montreal protocol, which is what banned cfcs internationally. But that doesn’t stop them from either using existing stockpiles, although I don’t know how they still have a significant amount of either, or ignoring the treaty altogether. CFCs are actually amazing refrigerants. They are low pressure and were fairly cheap to manufacture compared to modern refrigerants. The low pressure is nice, because it means the systems that work with those don’t need to be designed to withstand 400+ psi like you need for 410a for example. That also means installers on lower pressure systems only need to soft solder joints most of the time, instead of brazing the lines together. That’s the only reasons I can think of that they’d still be using damn CFCs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago That was the hole above California. This hole is above Antarctica, apparently caused by emissions drifting from China. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It's been continuously shrinking. It takes time for it heal and it ebbs and flows with the seasons. It won't close until 2040. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago It is, but it ebbs and flows over time, with the seasons. Lots of natural processes can interact with the ozone levels. It should be back to 1980 levels by 2040. Read my comment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) China. We show that emissions from eastern mainland China are 7.0 ± 3.0 (±1 standard deviation) gigagrams per year higher in 2014–2017 than in 2008–2012, and that the increase in emissions arises primarily around the northeastern provinces of Shandong and Hebei. This increase accounts for a substantial fraction (at least 40 to 60 per cent) of the global rise in CFC-11 emissions. We find no evidence for a significant increase in CFC-11 emissions from any other eastern Asian countries or other regions of the world where there are available data for the detection of regional emissions. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1193-4 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Read my comment. The hole is healing, it isn't healed. It no longer poses a threat to most populations, but it ebbs and flows. Estimates for total healing (pre-1980 levels) are 2040. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Read my comment. The hole is healing, it isn't healed. It no longer poses a threat to most populations, but it ebbs and flows. Estimates for total healing (pre-1980 levels) are 2040. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) I thought it was gone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I was told it was fixed. WTF? Like the ozone thing was the last time humanity came together and fixed a problem instead saying it was a LiBrUl oZone hole. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, that’s what I heard too. And it was because of CFC’s and wasn’t related to climate change. Once CFCs were outlawed, I heard the hole in the ozone was fixing itself (and ultimately fixed). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zron@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Seen a lot of “trades” videos out of china with refrigerant cylinders in the back that look suspiciously like R-12 and R-22 cylinders. You know, the refrigerants that were eating into the ozone layer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fucking hell. Thanks China. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They signed the Montreal protocol, which is what banned cfcs internationally. But that doesn’t stop them from either using existing stockpiles, although I don’t know how they still have a significant amount of either, or ignoring the treaty altogether. CFCs are actually amazing refrigerants. They are low pressure and were fairly cheap to manufacture compared to modern refrigerants. The low pressure is nice, because it means the systems that work with those don’t need to be designed to withstand 400+ psi like you need for 410a for example. That also means installers on lower pressure systems only need to soft solder joints most of the time, instead of brazing the lines together. That’s the only reasons I can think of that they’d still be using damn CFCs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago That was the hole above California. This hole is above Antarctica, apparently caused by emissions drifting from China. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It's been continuously shrinking. It takes time for it heal and it ebbs and flows with the seasons. It won't close until 2040. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I was told it was fixed. WTF? Like the ozone thing was the last time humanity came together and fixed a problem instead saying it was a LiBrUl oZone hole. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, that’s what I heard too. And it was because of CFC’s and wasn’t related to climate change. Once CFCs were outlawed, I heard the hole in the ozone was fixing itself (and ultimately fixed). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zron@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Seen a lot of “trades” videos out of china with refrigerant cylinders in the back that look suspiciously like R-12 and R-22 cylinders. You know, the refrigerants that were eating into the ozone layer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fucking hell. Thanks China. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They signed the Montreal protocol, which is what banned cfcs internationally. But that doesn’t stop them from either using existing stockpiles, although I don’t know how they still have a significant amount of either, or ignoring the treaty altogether. CFCs are actually amazing refrigerants. They are low pressure and were fairly cheap to manufacture compared to modern refrigerants. The low pressure is nice, because it means the systems that work with those don’t need to be designed to withstand 400+ psi like you need for 410a for example. That also means installers on lower pressure systems only need to soft solder joints most of the time, instead of brazing the lines together. That’s the only reasons I can think of that they’d still be using damn CFCs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago That was the hole above California. This hole is above Antarctica, apparently caused by emissions drifting from China. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, that’s what I heard too. And it was because of CFC’s and wasn’t related to climate change. Once CFCs were outlawed, I heard the hole in the ozone was fixing itself (and ultimately fixed). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zron@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Seen a lot of “trades” videos out of china with refrigerant cylinders in the back that look suspiciously like R-12 and R-22 cylinders. You know, the refrigerants that were eating into the ozone layer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fucking hell. Thanks China. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They signed the Montreal protocol, which is what banned cfcs internationally. But that doesn’t stop them from either using existing stockpiles, although I don’t know how they still have a significant amount of either, or ignoring the treaty altogether. CFCs are actually amazing refrigerants. They are low pressure and were fairly cheap to manufacture compared to modern refrigerants. The low pressure is nice, because it means the systems that work with those don’t need to be designed to withstand 400+ psi like you need for 410a for example. That also means installers on lower pressure systems only need to soft solder joints most of the time, instead of brazing the lines together. That’s the only reasons I can think of that they’d still be using damn CFCs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zron@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Seen a lot of “trades” videos out of china with refrigerant cylinders in the back that look suspiciously like R-12 and R-22 cylinders. You know, the refrigerants that were eating into the ozone layer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fucking hell. Thanks China. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They signed the Montreal protocol, which is what banned cfcs internationally. But that doesn’t stop them from either using existing stockpiles, although I don’t know how they still have a significant amount of either, or ignoring the treaty altogether. CFCs are actually amazing refrigerants. They are low pressure and were fairly cheap to manufacture compared to modern refrigerants. The low pressure is nice, because it means the systems that work with those don’t need to be designed to withstand 400+ psi like you need for 410a for example. That also means installers on lower pressure systems only need to soft solder joints most of the time, instead of brazing the lines together. That’s the only reasons I can think of that they’d still be using damn CFCs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fucking hell. Thanks China. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They signed the Montreal protocol, which is what banned cfcs internationally. But that doesn’t stop them from either using existing stockpiles, although I don’t know how they still have a significant amount of either, or ignoring the treaty altogether. CFCs are actually amazing refrigerants. They are low pressure and were fairly cheap to manufacture compared to modern refrigerants. The low pressure is nice, because it means the systems that work with those don’t need to be designed to withstand 400+ psi like you need for 410a for example. That also means installers on lower pressure systems only need to soft solder joints most of the time, instead of brazing the lines together. That’s the only reasons I can think of that they’d still be using damn CFCs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They signed the Montreal protocol, which is what banned cfcs internationally. But that doesn’t stop them from either using existing stockpiles, although I don’t know how they still have a significant amount of either, or ignoring the treaty altogether. CFCs are actually amazing refrigerants. They are low pressure and were fairly cheap to manufacture compared to modern refrigerants. The low pressure is nice, because it means the systems that work with those don’t need to be designed to withstand 400+ psi like you need for 410a for example. That also means installers on lower pressure systems only need to soft solder joints most of the time, instead of brazing the lines together. That’s the only reasons I can think of that they’d still be using damn CFCs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago That was the hole above California. This hole is above Antarctica, apparently caused by emissions drifting from China. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It's been continuously shrinking. It takes time for it heal and it ebbs and flows with the seasons. It won't close until 2040. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago It is, but it ebbs and flows over time, with the seasons. Lots of natural processes can interact with the ozone levels. It should be back to 1980 levels by 2040. Read my comment permalink fedilink source parent