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[–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

You're doing the false equivalency fallacy by bringing Obama into this though. Sure Democrats and Republicans are both bad, but trying to say they are equally bad isn't true.

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Obama started 5 wars in middle east, dropped more bombs than GWB. I constantly hear that Trump increased drone strikes like 430% his first year the first term. Obama increased them about 1000% compared to GWB. People complain about the Trump deportations. Yet Obama was the Deporter in Chief, and both Obama and Biden deported more immigrants than Trump. People complain about the immigrant detention centers under Trump, and as Trump asked Clinton wisely who built the cages the immigrant children were being put into, it was Obama. During Trumps first term, when he had a State of the Union, the one time Democrats stood up and cheered was when Trump introduced Juan Guaidó. When it comes to wars(especially regime change wars) and immigration, Republicans and Democrats very much agree, and the only way they wouldn't be equel, is if you consider that Obama deported more and dropped more bombs.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yeeeah Trump is still worse than Obama. And I don't think he's "wisely" asked a question in his life.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Much of America didn't know when that "children in cages" story made the news rounds, the cages were built under Obama, so while I'd pretty much also agree, that was one of the two times the broken clock was right.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    So you agree trump is worse than Obama?

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    On immigrants, no. On middle east wars, no, but debatable. On anything else, yes.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    So if Obama, in your opinion, is only definitively worse on immigrants than trump, and everything else is a tie/debatable or worse, then why are you bringing him up? Why not Biden? Why Obama out of nowhere if, by your own admission right now, Trump is worse?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Because Obama also ran on getting out of middle Eastern wars like Iraq /Afghanistan, and also ran on closing Guantanamo Bay, and I believed him, the same way MAGAts believed Trump when he said he was against wars and wouldn't go into Iran. Why I said I have some sympathy, as I believed the same lie. And Biden also deported more immigrants than Trump, but less than Obama, so I went with Obama there as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    So he lied or, like that other person said, the rest of the government stopped him.

    Maybe I'm more jaded but I assume all politicians lie, will say things to get elected, or at the very least don't fulfill all the promises they make.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I was young and fell for the Obama Hope & Change rhetoric. So can you make the case that Trump also wanted to stop the wars(which he ran on), but the government(and Israel, but that's another story) stopped him?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Just to clarify, you're asking if Trump wants to stop the wars but Congress is keeping them going?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    No, I'm saying the same way Obama said he'd stop wars, then congress(and whatever else, Pantagon, CIA, Israel, etc) stopped him from doing so, Trump the same way ran on stopping wars, and then congress(again, whatever else) changed his mind. Though, yes, it's easier to change Trumps mind through the blackmail. Obama only had his banker chosen administration.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I find it more likely Trump lied in the first place about stopping wars, rather than other people egging him on

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    So does that mean Obama was controlled by my list of "whatever else" and started all those wars against his own volition, instead of being a representative of the American people? Cause I can't quite figure out which is worse, and where Americans should go if voting for change in 2008 didn't change anything the same way that voting for the same thing in 2016 didn't change things either.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Obama increased them about 1000% compared to GWB.

    Drones weren't a thing under GWB.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    They were, but very few were used, as Obama alluded to in his debate with Romney. That horses aren't used in wars :/ there was a famous drone R&D "leak" from Lockheed Martin from 1995, so they've been around even during the Clinton era

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