▲ 405 ▼ Trump Declares Iran War Nearly Over: ‘The War is Very Complete, Pretty Much’ (www.mediaite.com) submitted 5 months ago by RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to c/news@lemmy.world 146 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) On immigrants, no. On middle east wars, no, but debatable. On anything else, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) So if Obama, in your opinion, is only definitively worse on immigrants than trump, and everything else is a tie/debatable or worse, then why are you bringing him up? Why not Biden? Why Obama out of nowhere if, by your own admission right now, Trump is worse? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Because Obama also ran on getting out of middle Eastern wars like Iraq /Afghanistan, and also ran on closing Guantanamo Bay, and I believed him, the same way MAGAts believed Trump when he said he was against wars and wouldn't go into Iran. Why I said I have some sympathy, as I believed the same lie. And Biden also deported more immigrants than Trump, but less than Obama, so I went with Obama there as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) So he lied or, like that other person said, the rest of the government stopped him. Maybe I'm more jaded but I assume all politicians lie, will say things to get elected, or at the very least don't fulfill all the promises they make. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Yeah, I was young and fell for the Obama Hope & Change rhetoric. So can you make the case that Trump also wanted to stop the wars(which he ran on), but the government(and Israel, but that's another story) stopped him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Just to clarify, you're asking if Trump wants to stop the wars but Congress is keeping them going? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) No, I'm saying the same way Obama said he'd stop wars, then congress(and whatever else, Pantagon, CIA, Israel, etc) stopped him from doing so, Trump the same way ran on stopping wars, and then congress(again, whatever else) changed his mind. Though, yes, it's easier to change Trumps mind through the blackmail. Obama only had his banker chosen administration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I find it more likely Trump lied in the first place about stopping wars, rather than other people egging him on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago So does that mean Obama was controlled by my list of "whatever else" and started all those wars against his own volition, instead of being a representative of the American people? Cause I can't quite figure out which is worse, and where Americans should go if voting for change in 2008 didn't change anything the same way that voting for the same thing in 2016 didn't change things either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) So if Obama, in your opinion, is only definitively worse on immigrants than trump, and everything else is a tie/debatable or worse, then why are you bringing him up? Why not Biden? Why Obama out of nowhere if, by your own admission right now, Trump is worse? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Because Obama also ran on getting out of middle Eastern wars like Iraq /Afghanistan, and also ran on closing Guantanamo Bay, and I believed him, the same way MAGAts believed Trump when he said he was against wars and wouldn't go into Iran. Why I said I have some sympathy, as I believed the same lie. And Biden also deported more immigrants than Trump, but less than Obama, so I went with Obama there as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) So he lied or, like that other person said, the rest of the government stopped him. Maybe I'm more jaded but I assume all politicians lie, will say things to get elected, or at the very least don't fulfill all the promises they make. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Yeah, I was young and fell for the Obama Hope & Change rhetoric. So can you make the case that Trump also wanted to stop the wars(which he ran on), but the government(and Israel, but that's another story) stopped him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Just to clarify, you're asking if Trump wants to stop the wars but Congress is keeping them going? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) No, I'm saying the same way Obama said he'd stop wars, then congress(and whatever else, Pantagon, CIA, Israel, etc) stopped him from doing so, Trump the same way ran on stopping wars, and then congress(again, whatever else) changed his mind. Though, yes, it's easier to change Trumps mind through the blackmail. Obama only had his banker chosen administration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I find it more likely Trump lied in the first place about stopping wars, rather than other people egging him on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago So does that mean Obama was controlled by my list of "whatever else" and started all those wars against his own volition, instead of being a representative of the American people? Cause I can't quite figure out which is worse, and where Americans should go if voting for change in 2008 didn't change anything the same way that voting for the same thing in 2016 didn't change things either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Because Obama also ran on getting out of middle Eastern wars like Iraq /Afghanistan, and also ran on closing Guantanamo Bay, and I believed him, the same way MAGAts believed Trump when he said he was against wars and wouldn't go into Iran. Why I said I have some sympathy, as I believed the same lie. And Biden also deported more immigrants than Trump, but less than Obama, so I went with Obama there as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) So he lied or, like that other person said, the rest of the government stopped him. Maybe I'm more jaded but I assume all politicians lie, will say things to get elected, or at the very least don't fulfill all the promises they make. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Yeah, I was young and fell for the Obama Hope & Change rhetoric. So can you make the case that Trump also wanted to stop the wars(which he ran on), but the government(and Israel, but that's another story) stopped him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Just to clarify, you're asking if Trump wants to stop the wars but Congress is keeping them going? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) No, I'm saying the same way Obama said he'd stop wars, then congress(and whatever else, Pantagon, CIA, Israel, etc) stopped him from doing so, Trump the same way ran on stopping wars, and then congress(again, whatever else) changed his mind. Though, yes, it's easier to change Trumps mind through the blackmail. Obama only had his banker chosen administration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I find it more likely Trump lied in the first place about stopping wars, rather than other people egging him on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago So does that mean Obama was controlled by my list of "whatever else" and started all those wars against his own volition, instead of being a representative of the American people? Cause I can't quite figure out which is worse, and where Americans should go if voting for change in 2008 didn't change anything the same way that voting for the same thing in 2016 didn't change things either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) So he lied or, like that other person said, the rest of the government stopped him. Maybe I'm more jaded but I assume all politicians lie, will say things to get elected, or at the very least don't fulfill all the promises they make. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Yeah, I was young and fell for the Obama Hope & Change rhetoric. So can you make the case that Trump also wanted to stop the wars(which he ran on), but the government(and Israel, but that's another story) stopped him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Just to clarify, you're asking if Trump wants to stop the wars but Congress is keeping them going? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) No, I'm saying the same way Obama said he'd stop wars, then congress(and whatever else, Pantagon, CIA, Israel, etc) stopped him from doing so, Trump the same way ran on stopping wars, and then congress(again, whatever else) changed his mind. Though, yes, it's easier to change Trumps mind through the blackmail. Obama only had his banker chosen administration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I find it more likely Trump lied in the first place about stopping wars, rather than other people egging him on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago So does that mean Obama was controlled by my list of "whatever else" and started all those wars against his own volition, instead of being a representative of the American people? Cause I can't quite figure out which is worse, and where Americans should go if voting for change in 2008 didn't change anything the same way that voting for the same thing in 2016 didn't change things either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Yeah, I was young and fell for the Obama Hope & Change rhetoric. So can you make the case that Trump also wanted to stop the wars(which he ran on), but the government(and Israel, but that's another story) stopped him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Just to clarify, you're asking if Trump wants to stop the wars but Congress is keeping them going? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) No, I'm saying the same way Obama said he'd stop wars, then congress(and whatever else, Pantagon, CIA, Israel, etc) stopped him from doing so, Trump the same way ran on stopping wars, and then congress(again, whatever else) changed his mind. Though, yes, it's easier to change Trumps mind through the blackmail. Obama only had his banker chosen administration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I find it more likely Trump lied in the first place about stopping wars, rather than other people egging him on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago So does that mean Obama was controlled by my list of "whatever else" and started all those wars against his own volition, instead of being a representative of the American people? Cause I can't quite figure out which is worse, and where Americans should go if voting for change in 2008 didn't change anything the same way that voting for the same thing in 2016 didn't change things either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Just to clarify, you're asking if Trump wants to stop the wars but Congress is keeping them going? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) No, I'm saying the same way Obama said he'd stop wars, then congress(and whatever else, Pantagon, CIA, Israel, etc) stopped him from doing so, Trump the same way ran on stopping wars, and then congress(again, whatever else) changed his mind. Though, yes, it's easier to change Trumps mind through the blackmail. Obama only had his banker chosen administration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I find it more likely Trump lied in the first place about stopping wars, rather than other people egging him on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago So does that mean Obama was controlled by my list of "whatever else" and started all those wars against his own volition, instead of being a representative of the American people? Cause I can't quite figure out which is worse, and where Americans should go if voting for change in 2008 didn't change anything the same way that voting for the same thing in 2016 didn't change things either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) No, I'm saying the same way Obama said he'd stop wars, then congress(and whatever else, Pantagon, CIA, Israel, etc) stopped him from doing so, Trump the same way ran on stopping wars, and then congress(again, whatever else) changed his mind. Though, yes, it's easier to change Trumps mind through the blackmail. Obama only had his banker chosen administration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I find it more likely Trump lied in the first place about stopping wars, rather than other people egging him on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago So does that mean Obama was controlled by my list of "whatever else" and started all those wars against his own volition, instead of being a representative of the American people? Cause I can't quite figure out which is worse, and where Americans should go if voting for change in 2008 didn't change anything the same way that voting for the same thing in 2016 didn't change things either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I find it more likely Trump lied in the first place about stopping wars, rather than other people egging him on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago So does that mean Obama was controlled by my list of "whatever else" and started all those wars against his own volition, instead of being a representative of the American people? Cause I can't quite figure out which is worse, and where Americans should go if voting for change in 2008 didn't change anything the same way that voting for the same thing in 2016 didn't change things either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 point 5 months ago So does that mean Obama was controlled by my list of "whatever else" and started all those wars against his own volition, instead of being a representative of the American people? Cause I can't quite figure out which is worse, and where Americans should go if voting for change in 2008 didn't change anything the same way that voting for the same thing in 2016 didn't change things either. permalink fedilink source parent