▲ 899 ▼ "Being vegan is unnatural" (discuss.tchncs.de) submitted 5 months ago by nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world 844 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/55430533
[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 5 months ago (1 child) it is not a needed treatment for the health and well being of the cow, it is a unecessary treatment forced upon the animal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] remon@ani.social -12 points 5 months ago (4 children) Right, but we do need more cows in the long run. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] basxto@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 5 months ago (1 child) a) we don't b) they can happily fuck on their own, it just makes it harder to exploit them for their body fluids. Nobody cares about the calves, they are just needed for the mothers to lactate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 5 months ago (2 children) Wouldn't it make more sense to simply induce lactation than go through the whole rigmarole of artificial insemination and then having to dispose of the unwanted calves? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago If you don't tear a postpartum cow and its calf apart the milk just ain't that tasty permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago Apparently not, otherwise that's what farmers would do. Milk production is not an on-off thing either. There is milk for newborns (colostrum) for older babies, there is less fatty and more fatty milk, milk production is a wondrous thing that is regulated by the babies saliva, the moms hormones, how much milk got eaten, how the baby looks even. You can be breastfeeding two kids, if you consistently feed breast A to kid A and breast B to kid B the milk they produce will be different! And that's what the farmer is taking away from the mom. Using prolactin to induce milk production is also very error prone and not reliable. At least in humans afaik but I don't see why it should be that different for cows. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago We, in fact, do not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) You can find cows that fuck, no need to insert yourself into the reproductive cycle of cows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saber_is_dead@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) You can find cows that fuck, are they in my area permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) we need more cows Absolute slaver brained person permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Nah, just for eating, they don't need to work. We got tractors for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) That's worse. You understand that this is worse right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) How is doing nothing and getting eaten worse than having to do slave labour and getting eaten? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I suppose if that were the case it wouldn't but it's really not worth the argument tbh. They're both bad enough. Also it's not the case, the cow still has to do slave labour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) They must be working the night shift, because I can see them standing around on the pastures all day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Milk production is labor. And if you're gonna disagree I would direct you to my wife but I should warn you of her right hook lol. Although she is very tired these days from having to produce all that milk for our baby so maybe you'll get away with it. Also most cows aren't on pastures. You literally can't see most cows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Damn, I really need to get paid for all the sperm production I've been doing. Apparently I'm being exploited! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Redditor finds about the difference consent makes, watch it live here: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago You forgot to the link! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] remon@ani.social -12 points 5 months ago (4 children) Right, but we do need more cows in the long run. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] basxto@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 5 months ago (1 child) a) we don't b) they can happily fuck on their own, it just makes it harder to exploit them for their body fluids. Nobody cares about the calves, they are just needed for the mothers to lactate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 5 months ago (2 children) Wouldn't it make more sense to simply induce lactation than go through the whole rigmarole of artificial insemination and then having to dispose of the unwanted calves? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago If you don't tear a postpartum cow and its calf apart the milk just ain't that tasty permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago Apparently not, otherwise that's what farmers would do. Milk production is not an on-off thing either. There is milk for newborns (colostrum) for older babies, there is less fatty and more fatty milk, milk production is a wondrous thing that is regulated by the babies saliva, the moms hormones, how much milk got eaten, how the baby looks even. You can be breastfeeding two kids, if you consistently feed breast A to kid A and breast B to kid B the milk they produce will be different! And that's what the farmer is taking away from the mom. Using prolactin to induce milk production is also very error prone and not reliable. At least in humans afaik but I don't see why it should be that different for cows. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago We, in fact, do not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) You can find cows that fuck, no need to insert yourself into the reproductive cycle of cows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saber_is_dead@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) You can find cows that fuck, are they in my area permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) we need more cows Absolute slaver brained person permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Nah, just for eating, they don't need to work. We got tractors for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) That's worse. You understand that this is worse right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) How is doing nothing and getting eaten worse than having to do slave labour and getting eaten? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I suppose if that were the case it wouldn't but it's really not worth the argument tbh. They're both bad enough. Also it's not the case, the cow still has to do slave labour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) They must be working the night shift, because I can see them standing around on the pastures all day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Milk production is labor. And if you're gonna disagree I would direct you to my wife but I should warn you of her right hook lol. Although she is very tired these days from having to produce all that milk for our baby so maybe you'll get away with it. Also most cows aren't on pastures. You literally can't see most cows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Damn, I really need to get paid for all the sperm production I've been doing. Apparently I'm being exploited! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Redditor finds about the difference consent makes, watch it live here: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago You forgot to the link! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] basxto@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 5 months ago (1 child) a) we don't b) they can happily fuck on their own, it just makes it harder to exploit them for their body fluids. Nobody cares about the calves, they are just needed for the mothers to lactate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 5 months ago (2 children) Wouldn't it make more sense to simply induce lactation than go through the whole rigmarole of artificial insemination and then having to dispose of the unwanted calves? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago If you don't tear a postpartum cow and its calf apart the milk just ain't that tasty permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago Apparently not, otherwise that's what farmers would do. Milk production is not an on-off thing either. There is milk for newborns (colostrum) for older babies, there is less fatty and more fatty milk, milk production is a wondrous thing that is regulated by the babies saliva, the moms hormones, how much milk got eaten, how the baby looks even. You can be breastfeeding two kids, if you consistently feed breast A to kid A and breast B to kid B the milk they produce will be different! And that's what the farmer is taking away from the mom. Using prolactin to induce milk production is also very error prone and not reliable. At least in humans afaik but I don't see why it should be that different for cows. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 5 months ago (2 children) Wouldn't it make more sense to simply induce lactation than go through the whole rigmarole of artificial insemination and then having to dispose of the unwanted calves? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago If you don't tear a postpartum cow and its calf apart the milk just ain't that tasty permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago Apparently not, otherwise that's what farmers would do. Milk production is not an on-off thing either. There is milk for newborns (colostrum) for older babies, there is less fatty and more fatty milk, milk production is a wondrous thing that is regulated by the babies saliva, the moms hormones, how much milk got eaten, how the baby looks even. You can be breastfeeding two kids, if you consistently feed breast A to kid A and breast B to kid B the milk they produce will be different! And that's what the farmer is taking away from the mom. Using prolactin to induce milk production is also very error prone and not reliable. At least in humans afaik but I don't see why it should be that different for cows. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago If you don't tear a postpartum cow and its calf apart the milk just ain't that tasty permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago Apparently not, otherwise that's what farmers would do. Milk production is not an on-off thing either. There is milk for newborns (colostrum) for older babies, there is less fatty and more fatty milk, milk production is a wondrous thing that is regulated by the babies saliva, the moms hormones, how much milk got eaten, how the baby looks even. You can be breastfeeding two kids, if you consistently feed breast A to kid A and breast B to kid B the milk they produce will be different! And that's what the farmer is taking away from the mom. Using prolactin to induce milk production is also very error prone and not reliable. At least in humans afaik but I don't see why it should be that different for cows. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) You can find cows that fuck, no need to insert yourself into the reproductive cycle of cows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saber_is_dead@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) You can find cows that fuck, are they in my area permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saber_is_dead@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) You can find cows that fuck, are they in my area permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) we need more cows Absolute slaver brained person permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Nah, just for eating, they don't need to work. We got tractors for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) That's worse. You understand that this is worse right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) How is doing nothing and getting eaten worse than having to do slave labour and getting eaten? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I suppose if that were the case it wouldn't but it's really not worth the argument tbh. They're both bad enough. Also it's not the case, the cow still has to do slave labour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) They must be working the night shift, because I can see them standing around on the pastures all day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Milk production is labor. And if you're gonna disagree I would direct you to my wife but I should warn you of her right hook lol. Although she is very tired these days from having to produce all that milk for our baby so maybe you'll get away with it. Also most cows aren't on pastures. You literally can't see most cows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Damn, I really need to get paid for all the sperm production I've been doing. Apparently I'm being exploited! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Redditor finds about the difference consent makes, watch it live here: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago You forgot to the link! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Nah, just for eating, they don't need to work. We got tractors for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) That's worse. You understand that this is worse right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) How is doing nothing and getting eaten worse than having to do slave labour and getting eaten? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I suppose if that were the case it wouldn't but it's really not worth the argument tbh. They're both bad enough. Also it's not the case, the cow still has to do slave labour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) They must be working the night shift, because I can see them standing around on the pastures all day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Milk production is labor. And if you're gonna disagree I would direct you to my wife but I should warn you of her right hook lol. Although she is very tired these days from having to produce all that milk for our baby so maybe you'll get away with it. Also most cows aren't on pastures. You literally can't see most cows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Damn, I really need to get paid for all the sperm production I've been doing. Apparently I'm being exploited! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Redditor finds about the difference consent makes, watch it live here: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago You forgot to the link! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) That's worse. You understand that this is worse right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) How is doing nothing and getting eaten worse than having to do slave labour and getting eaten? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I suppose if that were the case it wouldn't but it's really not worth the argument tbh. They're both bad enough. Also it's not the case, the cow still has to do slave labour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) They must be working the night shift, because I can see them standing around on the pastures all day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Milk production is labor. And if you're gonna disagree I would direct you to my wife but I should warn you of her right hook lol. Although she is very tired these days from having to produce all that milk for our baby so maybe you'll get away with it. Also most cows aren't on pastures. You literally can't see most cows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Damn, I really need to get paid for all the sperm production I've been doing. Apparently I'm being exploited! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Redditor finds about the difference consent makes, watch it live here: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago You forgot to the link! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) How is doing nothing and getting eaten worse than having to do slave labour and getting eaten? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I suppose if that were the case it wouldn't but it's really not worth the argument tbh. They're both bad enough. Also it's not the case, the cow still has to do slave labour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) They must be working the night shift, because I can see them standing around on the pastures all day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Milk production is labor. And if you're gonna disagree I would direct you to my wife but I should warn you of her right hook lol. Although she is very tired these days from having to produce all that milk for our baby so maybe you'll get away with it. Also most cows aren't on pastures. You literally can't see most cows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Damn, I really need to get paid for all the sperm production I've been doing. Apparently I'm being exploited! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Redditor finds about the difference consent makes, watch it live here: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago You forgot to the link! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I suppose if that were the case it wouldn't but it's really not worth the argument tbh. They're both bad enough. Also it's not the case, the cow still has to do slave labour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) They must be working the night shift, because I can see them standing around on the pastures all day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Milk production is labor. And if you're gonna disagree I would direct you to my wife but I should warn you of her right hook lol. Although she is very tired these days from having to produce all that milk for our baby so maybe you'll get away with it. Also most cows aren't on pastures. You literally can't see most cows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Damn, I really need to get paid for all the sperm production I've been doing. Apparently I'm being exploited! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Redditor finds about the difference consent makes, watch it live here: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago You forgot to the link! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) They must be working the night shift, because I can see them standing around on the pastures all day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Milk production is labor. And if you're gonna disagree I would direct you to my wife but I should warn you of her right hook lol. Although she is very tired these days from having to produce all that milk for our baby so maybe you'll get away with it. Also most cows aren't on pastures. You literally can't see most cows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Damn, I really need to get paid for all the sperm production I've been doing. Apparently I'm being exploited! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Redditor finds about the difference consent makes, watch it live here: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago You forgot to the link! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Milk production is labor. And if you're gonna disagree I would direct you to my wife but I should warn you of her right hook lol. Although she is very tired these days from having to produce all that milk for our baby so maybe you'll get away with it. Also most cows aren't on pastures. You literally can't see most cows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Damn, I really need to get paid for all the sperm production I've been doing. Apparently I'm being exploited! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Redditor finds about the difference consent makes, watch it live here: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago You forgot to the link! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Damn, I really need to get paid for all the sperm production I've been doing. Apparently I'm being exploited! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Redditor finds about the difference consent makes, watch it live here: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago You forgot to the link! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Redditor finds about the difference consent makes, watch it live here: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago You forgot to the link! permalink fedilink source parent
