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[–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Hey, buddy? Shut the fuck up.

The US is in the mess because of worthless people like you who get angry at anyone who hopes for more. People say “hey can we not do better than complete garbage?” and you feel the need to tell them that they’re wrong. Gavin Newsom will not dig you out of the hole you’re in, nor will any other center-right corporate stooge.

I say this with my whole heart: I hate you.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    FYI sadly this is an unpopular opinion for users of lemmy world. While they are willing to admit Trump is bad most can't stomach admitting how much the dems have a hand in us getting to this point, let alone how little they care about preventing it or doing anything to improve the situation

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It’s also not just the US. In Canada we are constantly told that we must stop dreaming about electing our main progressive party and that we must rally around the increasingly conservative centrist party. Centrists demand sacrifice but refuse to ever give anything in return. They are cowardly obstacles, not serious people.

    Our last election saw the NDP lose official party status because of a lack of votes, the Conservatives are still highly supported and will get in eventually when they’re even crazier, and the Liberals we elected are the most conservative they’ve even been down to letting private companies steal our natural resources with fewer consequences all while helping ones like Air Canada by trying to declare the flight attendant strike illegal. People said our prime minister being a banker would help us this economy but he shown that he would rather weaken the average citizen than help them.

    At least right-wingers spew their hate with their whole chest. Centrists are just cowards, nothing more.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Don't forget France where the left won power but they still ended up with conservatives because macron would rather work with them than actually do leftists policy or work with those not on the right

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    That’s just classic branding at that point. If you listen to the conservatives and the media in Canada you’d swear the Liberal party was a super woke bunch of progressives but the majority of stuff they ever do that can be considered progressive is whatever the NDP was able to negotiate for during the coalition when the Liberals held a minority government. I don’t know much of French politics but I have the feeling thag their “left” is only such in that they aren’t explicitly a right-wing party and that there’s a further right option.

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  • [+] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It’s always the progressives who need to rally behind the centrist, isn’t it? Never the other way around because you’re just a coward.

    How about you grow even an inch of a spine and rally behind someone who wants to make real change? How about you stop spending you life on this planet being nothing more than a barrier? Get it together.

    I really don’t give a damn whether you hate me or not, your opinion is worthless. You don’t know the first fucking thing about togetherness, just empty platitudes that make you comfortable so you don’t need to actually face anything difficult.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You literally said that progressives need to make real change by rallying behind unideal candidates who may be a little amoral. And you think it’s my fault for in-fighting because I want to focus on the more ideal and more moral options? Fucking please.

    I can’t tell if I’m more insulted that you’re lying to my face or that you would actually think I’d believe you. God, you truly are a pathetic little weasel, aren’t you?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It's not infighting when one side supports Diet Republicans and the other side wants ICE to be abolished.

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  • [+] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    With your own words. Newsom is a Republican from 2016.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    all I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage

    Expect that is also the logic dems/dnc have used that got us to this point.

    you have to vote for Kerry or else we still have Bush

    vote for Hillary she's the only one who is qualified to beat the rnc - when running against Obama

    vote for Hillary she's not trump - 2016

    primary voters vote for Biden he's the only one who can beat Trump, we can't let Bernie have a shot - 2020

    vote for Kamala, what do you want trump again??

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  • [+] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    No you are one of many saying vote for the dems no matter the terrible candidate while we've had nothing but failures from them, and constant capitulations to republicans. Especially when newsom is a republican just running as a dem like so many others in the party.

    Just because the republicans get instant loyalty does not mean any one owes a party votes. There's no point in voting for the dems when either way it ends up with the same outcome

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  • [+] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage. If the progressives want to make real change, they have to be willing to rally, and that will likely mean rallying behind a non ideal candidate, and likely rallying with those that we feel are amoral.

    we need the progressives to line up behind the right leaning dems

    It literally is but sure say it's not

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It's people like you that need to realize that in the current political environment, establishment Dems have zero electability.

    Get behind a progressive candidate or expect to lose again.

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  • [+] -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You completely ignored my post. If Newsom is on the ballot, he will lose.

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