▲ 299 ▼ The Actual Gavin Newsom Is Much Worse Than You Think (www.commondreams.org) submitted 6 months ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 141 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] ejhal@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 months ago (1 child) While you do that AIPAC is ensuring that your 2028 option will be Newsom and Rahm Emanuel or someone else they hand pick. That way they win no matter what happens and Americans remain pay pigs for genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] criscodisco@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) The fascists are winning because they aren’t normal establishment politicians, at least to the uninformed. They are “different” and that is what people want, anything other than the status quo. It’s how fascists have always gained power. They exist, because otherwise there is functionally a vacuum, a government that ignores people’s demands for help. You don’t hold back fascism. And you certainly don’t hold it back with ineffective “centrism”. You push it back with a greater opposing force. You push it down to the ground. Then you stomp its face in until it is no longer breathing. You pounce on it when it is at its weakest. You kill it. You excise it like the cancer it is. You eliminate it quickly, decisively, permanently. Or you die. Simple as that, man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] sik0fewl@piefed.ca 5 points 6 months ago Yes, keep going to the right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (2 children) Hey, buddy? Shut the fuck up. The US is in the mess because of worthless people like you who get angry at anyone who hopes for more. People say “hey can we not do better than complete garbage?” and you feel the need to tell them that they’re wrong. Gavin Newsom will not dig you out of the hole you’re in, nor will any other center-right corporate stooge. I say this with my whole heart: I hate you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) FYI sadly this is an unpopular opinion for users of lemmy world. While they are willing to admit Trump is bad most can't stomach admitting how much the dems have a hand in us getting to this point, let alone how little they care about preventing it or doing anything to improve the situation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) It’s also not just the US. In Canada we are constantly told that we must stop dreaming about electing our main progressive party and that we must rally around the increasingly conservative centrist party. Centrists demand sacrifice but refuse to ever give anything in return. They are cowardly obstacles, not serious people. Our last election saw the NDP lose official party status because of a lack of votes, the Conservatives are still highly supported and will get in eventually when they’re even crazier, and the Liberals we elected are the most conservative they’ve even been down to letting private companies steal our natural resources with fewer consequences all while helping ones like Air Canada by trying to declare the flight attendant strike illegal. People said our prime minister being a banker would help us this economy but he shown that he would rather weaken the average citizen than help them. At least right-wingers spew their hate with their whole chest. Centrists are just cowards, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Don't forget France where the left won power but they still ended up with conservatives because macron would rather work with them than actually do leftists policy or work with those not on the right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago That’s just classic branding at that point. If you listen to the conservatives and the media in Canada you’d swear the Liberal party was a super woke bunch of progressives but the majority of stuff they ever do that can be considered progressive is whatever the NDP was able to negotiate for during the coalition when the Liberals held a minority government. I don’t know much of French politics but I have the feeling thag their “left” is only such in that they aren’t explicitly a right-wing party and that there’s a further right option. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 child) It’s always the progressives who need to rally behind the centrist, isn’t it? Never the other way around because you’re just a coward. How about you grow even an inch of a spine and rally behind someone who wants to make real change? How about you stop spending you life on this planet being nothing more than a barrier? Get it together. I really don’t give a damn whether you hate me or not, your opinion is worthless. You don’t know the first fucking thing about togetherness, just empty platitudes that make you comfortable so you don’t need to actually face anything difficult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's not infighting when one side supports Diet Republicans and the other side wants ICE to be abolished. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) With your own words. Newsom is a Republican from 2016. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) So you'll advocate for someone else, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) You literally said that progressives need to make real change by rallying behind unideal candidates who may be a little amoral. And you think it’s my fault for in-fighting because I want to focus on the more ideal and more moral options? Fucking please. I can’t tell if I’m more insulted that you’re lying to my face or that you would actually think I’d believe you. God, you truly are a pathetic little weasel, aren’t you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) all I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage Expect that is also the logic dems/dnc have used that got us to this point. you have to vote for Kerry or else we still have Bush vote for Hillary she's the only one who is qualified to beat the rnc - when running against Obama vote for Hillary she's not trump - 2016 primary voters vote for Biden he's the only one who can beat Trump, we can't let Bernie have a shot - 2020 vote for Kamala, what do you want trump again?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you are one of many saying vote for the dems no matter the terrible candidate while we've had nothing but failures from them, and constant capitulations to republicans. Especially when newsom is a republican just running as a dem like so many others in the party. Just because the republicans get instant loyalty does not mean any one owes a party votes. There's no point in voting for the dems when either way it ends up with the same outcome permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage. If the progressives want to make real change, they have to be willing to rally, and that will likely mean rallying behind a non ideal candidate, and likely rallying with those that we feel are amoral. we need the progressives to line up behind the right leaning dems It literally is but sure say it's not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) Because that's the only dems there are? If it wasn't you're meaning you should really edit the comment to not make it read that way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago Woooosh permalink fedilink source parent [+] fairyfuzz@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's people like you that need to realize that in the current political environment, establishment Dems have zero electability. Get behind a progressive candidate or expect to lose again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) You completely ignored my post. If Newsom is on the ballot, he will lose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Boy, you're full of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] fortnitefinn@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child) You're part of the problem. We don't need to "baby-steps" this, and to think otherwise is to out yourself as a fool. Republicans didn't "baby-step" going to Trump. They saw Obama as the antichrist and instead of pussyfooting around trying to play both sides, they went all in on their most radical candidate 3 times. It's working for them specifically because smart people like you keep sucking neoliberal dick. Stop being a punk. Start fighting back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fortnitefinn@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child) Yeah, you're still part of the problem. This is the exact rhetoric that got us into this mess. It's what won Hillary the nomination and handed the presidency to Donald Trump. Until people like you learn from your mistakes instead of repeating them, the republican party won't be going away because there will always been an argument that the democrats don't actually care about the working class. Unfortunately, I expect you to respond as long as I do, so I will have to give you the last word. Don't take my lack of a response as accepting that you're correct. You're most likely going to peddle some "baby-steps," moderate bullshit while saying that's not what you're doing or that it's the best path forward even though it hasn't been working. Goodbye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 months ago (1 child) While you do that AIPAC is ensuring that your 2028 option will be Newsom and Rahm Emanuel or someone else they hand pick. That way they win no matter what happens and Americans remain pay pigs for genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] criscodisco@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) The fascists are winning because they aren’t normal establishment politicians, at least to the uninformed. They are “different” and that is what people want, anything other than the status quo. It’s how fascists have always gained power. They exist, because otherwise there is functionally a vacuum, a government that ignores people’s demands for help. You don’t hold back fascism. And you certainly don’t hold it back with ineffective “centrism”. You push it back with a greater opposing force. You push it down to the ground. Then you stomp its face in until it is no longer breathing. You pounce on it when it is at its weakest. You kill it. You excise it like the cancer it is. You eliminate it quickly, decisively, permanently. Or you die. Simple as that, man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ejhal@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] criscodisco@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) The fascists are winning because they aren’t normal establishment politicians, at least to the uninformed. They are “different” and that is what people want, anything other than the status quo. It’s how fascists have always gained power. They exist, because otherwise there is functionally a vacuum, a government that ignores people’s demands for help. You don’t hold back fascism. And you certainly don’t hold it back with ineffective “centrism”. You push it back with a greater opposing force. You push it down to the ground. Then you stomp its face in until it is no longer breathing. You pounce on it when it is at its weakest. You kill it. You excise it like the cancer it is. You eliminate it quickly, decisively, permanently. Or you die. Simple as that, man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] criscodisco@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) The fascists are winning because they aren’t normal establishment politicians, at least to the uninformed. They are “different” and that is what people want, anything other than the status quo. It’s how fascists have always gained power. They exist, because otherwise there is functionally a vacuum, a government that ignores people’s demands for help. You don’t hold back fascism. And you certainly don’t hold it back with ineffective “centrism”. You push it back with a greater opposing force. You push it down to the ground. Then you stomp its face in until it is no longer breathing. You pounce on it when it is at its weakest. You kill it. You excise it like the cancer it is. You eliminate it quickly, decisively, permanently. Or you die. Simple as that, man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] sik0fewl@piefed.ca 5 points 6 months ago Yes, keep going to the right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (2 children) Hey, buddy? Shut the fuck up. The US is in the mess because of worthless people like you who get angry at anyone who hopes for more. People say “hey can we not do better than complete garbage?” and you feel the need to tell them that they’re wrong. Gavin Newsom will not dig you out of the hole you’re in, nor will any other center-right corporate stooge. I say this with my whole heart: I hate you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) FYI sadly this is an unpopular opinion for users of lemmy world. While they are willing to admit Trump is bad most can't stomach admitting how much the dems have a hand in us getting to this point, let alone how little they care about preventing it or doing anything to improve the situation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) It’s also not just the US. In Canada we are constantly told that we must stop dreaming about electing our main progressive party and that we must rally around the increasingly conservative centrist party. Centrists demand sacrifice but refuse to ever give anything in return. They are cowardly obstacles, not serious people. Our last election saw the NDP lose official party status because of a lack of votes, the Conservatives are still highly supported and will get in eventually when they’re even crazier, and the Liberals we elected are the most conservative they’ve even been down to letting private companies steal our natural resources with fewer consequences all while helping ones like Air Canada by trying to declare the flight attendant strike illegal. People said our prime minister being a banker would help us this economy but he shown that he would rather weaken the average citizen than help them. At least right-wingers spew their hate with their whole chest. Centrists are just cowards, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Don't forget France where the left won power but they still ended up with conservatives because macron would rather work with them than actually do leftists policy or work with those not on the right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago That’s just classic branding at that point. If you listen to the conservatives and the media in Canada you’d swear the Liberal party was a super woke bunch of progressives but the majority of stuff they ever do that can be considered progressive is whatever the NDP was able to negotiate for during the coalition when the Liberals held a minority government. I don’t know much of French politics but I have the feeling thag their “left” is only such in that they aren’t explicitly a right-wing party and that there’s a further right option. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 child) It’s always the progressives who need to rally behind the centrist, isn’t it? Never the other way around because you’re just a coward. How about you grow even an inch of a spine and rally behind someone who wants to make real change? How about you stop spending you life on this planet being nothing more than a barrier? Get it together. I really don’t give a damn whether you hate me or not, your opinion is worthless. You don’t know the first fucking thing about togetherness, just empty platitudes that make you comfortable so you don’t need to actually face anything difficult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's not infighting when one side supports Diet Republicans and the other side wants ICE to be abolished. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) With your own words. Newsom is a Republican from 2016. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) So you'll advocate for someone else, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) You literally said that progressives need to make real change by rallying behind unideal candidates who may be a little amoral. And you think it’s my fault for in-fighting because I want to focus on the more ideal and more moral options? Fucking please. I can’t tell if I’m more insulted that you’re lying to my face or that you would actually think I’d believe you. God, you truly are a pathetic little weasel, aren’t you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) all I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage Expect that is also the logic dems/dnc have used that got us to this point. you have to vote for Kerry or else we still have Bush vote for Hillary she's the only one who is qualified to beat the rnc - when running against Obama vote for Hillary she's not trump - 2016 primary voters vote for Biden he's the only one who can beat Trump, we can't let Bernie have a shot - 2020 vote for Kamala, what do you want trump again?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you are one of many saying vote for the dems no matter the terrible candidate while we've had nothing but failures from them, and constant capitulations to republicans. Especially when newsom is a republican just running as a dem like so many others in the party. Just because the republicans get instant loyalty does not mean any one owes a party votes. There's no point in voting for the dems when either way it ends up with the same outcome permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage. If the progressives want to make real change, they have to be willing to rally, and that will likely mean rallying behind a non ideal candidate, and likely rallying with those that we feel are amoral. we need the progressives to line up behind the right leaning dems It literally is but sure say it's not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) Because that's the only dems there are? If it wasn't you're meaning you should really edit the comment to not make it read that way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago Woooosh permalink fedilink source parent [+] fairyfuzz@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's people like you that need to realize that in the current political environment, establishment Dems have zero electability. Get behind a progressive candidate or expect to lose again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) You completely ignored my post. If Newsom is on the ballot, he will lose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Boy, you're full of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) FYI sadly this is an unpopular opinion for users of lemmy world. While they are willing to admit Trump is bad most can't stomach admitting how much the dems have a hand in us getting to this point, let alone how little they care about preventing it or doing anything to improve the situation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) It’s also not just the US. In Canada we are constantly told that we must stop dreaming about electing our main progressive party and that we must rally around the increasingly conservative centrist party. Centrists demand sacrifice but refuse to ever give anything in return. They are cowardly obstacles, not serious people. Our last election saw the NDP lose official party status because of a lack of votes, the Conservatives are still highly supported and will get in eventually when they’re even crazier, and the Liberals we elected are the most conservative they’ve even been down to letting private companies steal our natural resources with fewer consequences all while helping ones like Air Canada by trying to declare the flight attendant strike illegal. People said our prime minister being a banker would help us this economy but he shown that he would rather weaken the average citizen than help them. At least right-wingers spew their hate with their whole chest. Centrists are just cowards, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Don't forget France where the left won power but they still ended up with conservatives because macron would rather work with them than actually do leftists policy or work with those not on the right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago That’s just classic branding at that point. If you listen to the conservatives and the media in Canada you’d swear the Liberal party was a super woke bunch of progressives but the majority of stuff they ever do that can be considered progressive is whatever the NDP was able to negotiate for during the coalition when the Liberals held a minority government. I don’t know much of French politics but I have the feeling thag their “left” is only such in that they aren’t explicitly a right-wing party and that there’s a further right option. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soup@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) It’s also not just the US. In Canada we are constantly told that we must stop dreaming about electing our main progressive party and that we must rally around the increasingly conservative centrist party. Centrists demand sacrifice but refuse to ever give anything in return. They are cowardly obstacles, not serious people. Our last election saw the NDP lose official party status because of a lack of votes, the Conservatives are still highly supported and will get in eventually when they’re even crazier, and the Liberals we elected are the most conservative they’ve even been down to letting private companies steal our natural resources with fewer consequences all while helping ones like Air Canada by trying to declare the flight attendant strike illegal. People said our prime minister being a banker would help us this economy but he shown that he would rather weaken the average citizen than help them. At least right-wingers spew their hate with their whole chest. Centrists are just cowards, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Don't forget France where the left won power but they still ended up with conservatives because macron would rather work with them than actually do leftists policy or work with those not on the right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago That’s just classic branding at that point. If you listen to the conservatives and the media in Canada you’d swear the Liberal party was a super woke bunch of progressives but the majority of stuff they ever do that can be considered progressive is whatever the NDP was able to negotiate for during the coalition when the Liberals held a minority government. I don’t know much of French politics but I have the feeling thag their “left” is only such in that they aren’t explicitly a right-wing party and that there’s a further right option. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Don't forget France where the left won power but they still ended up with conservatives because macron would rather work with them than actually do leftists policy or work with those not on the right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago That’s just classic branding at that point. If you listen to the conservatives and the media in Canada you’d swear the Liberal party was a super woke bunch of progressives but the majority of stuff they ever do that can be considered progressive is whatever the NDP was able to negotiate for during the coalition when the Liberals held a minority government. I don’t know much of French politics but I have the feeling thag their “left” is only such in that they aren’t explicitly a right-wing party and that there’s a further right option. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago That’s just classic branding at that point. If you listen to the conservatives and the media in Canada you’d swear the Liberal party was a super woke bunch of progressives but the majority of stuff they ever do that can be considered progressive is whatever the NDP was able to negotiate for during the coalition when the Liberals held a minority government. I don’t know much of French politics but I have the feeling thag their “left” is only such in that they aren’t explicitly a right-wing party and that there’s a further right option. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ejhal@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 child) It’s always the progressives who need to rally behind the centrist, isn’t it? Never the other way around because you’re just a coward. How about you grow even an inch of a spine and rally behind someone who wants to make real change? How about you stop spending you life on this planet being nothing more than a barrier? Get it together. I really don’t give a damn whether you hate me or not, your opinion is worthless. You don’t know the first fucking thing about togetherness, just empty platitudes that make you comfortable so you don’t need to actually face anything difficult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's not infighting when one side supports Diet Republicans and the other side wants ICE to be abolished. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) With your own words. Newsom is a Republican from 2016. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) So you'll advocate for someone else, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) You literally said that progressives need to make real change by rallying behind unideal candidates who may be a little amoral. And you think it’s my fault for in-fighting because I want to focus on the more ideal and more moral options? Fucking please. I can’t tell if I’m more insulted that you’re lying to my face or that you would actually think I’d believe you. God, you truly are a pathetic little weasel, aren’t you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) all I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage Expect that is also the logic dems/dnc have used that got us to this point. you have to vote for Kerry or else we still have Bush vote for Hillary she's the only one who is qualified to beat the rnc - when running against Obama vote for Hillary she's not trump - 2016 primary voters vote for Biden he's the only one who can beat Trump, we can't let Bernie have a shot - 2020 vote for Kamala, what do you want trump again?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you are one of many saying vote for the dems no matter the terrible candidate while we've had nothing but failures from them, and constant capitulations to republicans. Especially when newsom is a republican just running as a dem like so many others in the party. Just because the republicans get instant loyalty does not mean any one owes a party votes. There's no point in voting for the dems when either way it ends up with the same outcome permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage. If the progressives want to make real change, they have to be willing to rally, and that will likely mean rallying behind a non ideal candidate, and likely rallying with those that we feel are amoral. we need the progressives to line up behind the right leaning dems It literally is but sure say it's not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) Because that's the only dems there are? If it wasn't you're meaning you should really edit the comment to not make it read that way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago Woooosh permalink fedilink source parent [+] fairyfuzz@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's people like you that need to realize that in the current political environment, establishment Dems have zero electability. Get behind a progressive candidate or expect to lose again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) You completely ignored my post. If Newsom is on the ballot, he will lose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Boy, you're full of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soup@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 child) It’s always the progressives who need to rally behind the centrist, isn’t it? Never the other way around because you’re just a coward. How about you grow even an inch of a spine and rally behind someone who wants to make real change? How about you stop spending you life on this planet being nothing more than a barrier? Get it together. I really don’t give a damn whether you hate me or not, your opinion is worthless. You don’t know the first fucking thing about togetherness, just empty platitudes that make you comfortable so you don’t need to actually face anything difficult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's not infighting when one side supports Diet Republicans and the other side wants ICE to be abolished. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) With your own words. Newsom is a Republican from 2016. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) So you'll advocate for someone else, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) You literally said that progressives need to make real change by rallying behind unideal candidates who may be a little amoral. And you think it’s my fault for in-fighting because I want to focus on the more ideal and more moral options? Fucking please. I can’t tell if I’m more insulted that you’re lying to my face or that you would actually think I’d believe you. God, you truly are a pathetic little weasel, aren’t you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ejhal@lemmy.world -6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's not infighting when one side supports Diet Republicans and the other side wants ICE to be abolished. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) With your own words. Newsom is a Republican from 2016. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) So you'll advocate for someone else, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) You literally said that progressives need to make real change by rallying behind unideal candidates who may be a little amoral. And you think it’s my fault for in-fighting because I want to focus on the more ideal and more moral options? Fucking please. I can’t tell if I’m more insulted that you’re lying to my face or that you would actually think I’d believe you. God, you truly are a pathetic little weasel, aren’t you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's not infighting when one side supports Diet Republicans and the other side wants ICE to be abolished. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) With your own words. Newsom is a Republican from 2016. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) So you'll advocate for someone else, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) With your own words. Newsom is a Republican from 2016. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) So you'll advocate for someone else, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) With your own words. Newsom is a Republican from 2016. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) So you'll advocate for someone else, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) So you'll advocate for someone else, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) So you'll advocate for someone else, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) You literally said that progressives need to make real change by rallying behind unideal candidates who may be a little amoral. And you think it’s my fault for in-fighting because I want to focus on the more ideal and more moral options? Fucking please. I can’t tell if I’m more insulted that you’re lying to my face or that you would actually think I’d believe you. God, you truly are a pathetic little weasel, aren’t you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 6 months ago (1 child) all I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage Expect that is also the logic dems/dnc have used that got us to this point. you have to vote for Kerry or else we still have Bush vote for Hillary she's the only one who is qualified to beat the rnc - when running against Obama vote for Hillary she's not trump - 2016 primary voters vote for Biden he's the only one who can beat Trump, we can't let Bernie have a shot - 2020 vote for Kamala, what do you want trump again?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you are one of many saying vote for the dems no matter the terrible candidate while we've had nothing but failures from them, and constant capitulations to republicans. Especially when newsom is a republican just running as a dem like so many others in the party. Just because the republicans get instant loyalty does not mean any one owes a party votes. There's no point in voting for the dems when either way it ends up with the same outcome permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage. If the progressives want to make real change, they have to be willing to rally, and that will likely mean rallying behind a non ideal candidate, and likely rallying with those that we feel are amoral. we need the progressives to line up behind the right leaning dems It literally is but sure say it's not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) Because that's the only dems there are? If it wasn't you're meaning you should really edit the comment to not make it read that way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago Woooosh permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you are one of many saying vote for the dems no matter the terrible candidate while we've had nothing but failures from them, and constant capitulations to republicans. Especially when newsom is a republican just running as a dem like so many others in the party. Just because the republicans get instant loyalty does not mean any one owes a party votes. There's no point in voting for the dems when either way it ends up with the same outcome permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage. If the progressives want to make real change, they have to be willing to rally, and that will likely mean rallying behind a non ideal candidate, and likely rallying with those that we feel are amoral. we need the progressives to line up behind the right leaning dems It literally is but sure say it's not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) Because that's the only dems there are? If it wasn't you're meaning you should really edit the comment to not make it read that way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago Woooosh permalink fedilink source parent
[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you are one of many saying vote for the dems no matter the terrible candidate while we've had nothing but failures from them, and constant capitulations to republicans. Especially when newsom is a republican just running as a dem like so many others in the party. Just because the republicans get instant loyalty does not mean any one owes a party votes. There's no point in voting for the dems when either way it ends up with the same outcome permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage. If the progressives want to make real change, they have to be willing to rally, and that will likely mean rallying behind a non ideal candidate, and likely rallying with those that we feel are amoral. we need the progressives to line up behind the right leaning dems It literally is but sure say it's not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) Because that's the only dems there are? If it wasn't you're meaning you should really edit the comment to not make it read that way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage. If the progressives want to make real change, they have to be willing to rally, and that will likely mean rallying behind a non ideal candidate, and likely rallying with those that we feel are amoral. we need the progressives to line up behind the right leaning dems It literally is but sure say it's not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) Because that's the only dems there are? If it wasn't you're meaning you should really edit the comment to not make it read that way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage. If the progressives want to make real change, they have to be willing to rally, and that will likely mean rallying behind a non ideal candidate, and likely rallying with those that we feel are amoral. we need the progressives to line up behind the right leaning dems It literally is but sure say it's not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) Because that's the only dems there are? If it wasn't you're meaning you should really edit the comment to not make it read that way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) Because that's the only dems there are? If it wasn't you're meaning you should really edit the comment to not make it read that way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) Because that's the only dems there are? If it wasn't you're meaning you should really edit the comment to not make it read that way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's people like you that need to realize that in the current political environment, establishment Dems have zero electability. Get behind a progressive candidate or expect to lose again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) You completely ignored my post. If Newsom is on the ballot, he will lose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Boy, you're full of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ejhal@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) You completely ignored my post. If Newsom is on the ballot, he will lose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Boy, you're full of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) You completely ignored my post. If Newsom is on the ballot, he will lose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Boy, you're full of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ejhal@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Boy, you're full of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Boy, you're full of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] fortnitefinn@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child) You're part of the problem. We don't need to "baby-steps" this, and to think otherwise is to out yourself as a fool. Republicans didn't "baby-step" going to Trump. They saw Obama as the antichrist and instead of pussyfooting around trying to play both sides, they went all in on their most radical candidate 3 times. It's working for them specifically because smart people like you keep sucking neoliberal dick. Stop being a punk. Start fighting back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fortnitefinn@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child) Yeah, you're still part of the problem. This is the exact rhetoric that got us into this mess. It's what won Hillary the nomination and handed the presidency to Donald Trump. Until people like you learn from your mistakes instead of repeating them, the republican party won't be going away because there will always been an argument that the democrats don't actually care about the working class. Unfortunately, I expect you to respond as long as I do, so I will have to give you the last word. Don't take my lack of a response as accepting that you're correct. You're most likely going to peddle some "baby-steps," moderate bullshit while saying that's not what you're doing or that it's the best path forward even though it hasn't been working. Goodbye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fortnitefinn@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child) Yeah, you're still part of the problem. This is the exact rhetoric that got us into this mess. It's what won Hillary the nomination and handed the presidency to Donald Trump. Until people like you learn from your mistakes instead of repeating them, the republican party won't be going away because there will always been an argument that the democrats don't actually care about the working class. Unfortunately, I expect you to respond as long as I do, so I will have to give you the last word. Don't take my lack of a response as accepting that you're correct. You're most likely going to peddle some "baby-steps," moderate bullshit while saying that's not what you're doing or that it's the best path forward even though it hasn't been working. Goodbye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fortnitefinn@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child) Yeah, you're still part of the problem. This is the exact rhetoric that got us into this mess. It's what won Hillary the nomination and handed the presidency to Donald Trump. Until people like you learn from your mistakes instead of repeating them, the republican party won't be going away because there will always been an argument that the democrats don't actually care about the working class. Unfortunately, I expect you to respond as long as I do, so I will have to give you the last word. Don't take my lack of a response as accepting that you're correct. You're most likely going to peddle some "baby-steps," moderate bullshit while saying that's not what you're doing or that it's the best path forward even though it hasn't been working. Goodbye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ejhal@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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