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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 child) Declarations. Executive orders. Not bills. Bills create law. He ain't doing that. Most of what he does is not legal. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -7 points 5 months ago (1 child) executive orders are still law, they just carry less weight than legislative writ. it's complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OldManWithACane@lemmy.zip 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) I hate to be the Akshually guy but they're truly not laws. They're directives for the federal agencies under the control of the executive branch. They have the " force of law " (assuming they're aligned with the constitutional authority of the president) but they're not laws. They don't create crimes, do budgets, or override congress. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago (3 children) if something has the force of law, it's a law analogue and you're arguing sophistry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 9 points 5 months ago* (1 child) law is the profession of specifics… it’s not sophistry; it’s technicality just like trump is not a convicted rapist: he was convicted of sexual assault permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago (1 child) excuse me the entire practice of law is sophistry i almost married a lawyer i should know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) the law is not intended to deceive. the words are complex by necessity, but complexity is not sophistry permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (1 child) i think i see the problem. i think you're an Aussie. in your legal system that might actually be true. i'm in statesia. in a past life i wrote a few entries in the Code of Federal Regulations, if that gives you some guess to the quality of the thinking in there. looking for sense in the government is the quickest path to insanity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 5 months ago technicality remains more important than ever in your current political climate permalink fedilink source parent [–] OldManWithACane@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm not though. They're truly different things and I promise I'm not arguing in bad faith. The differences I mentioned are material, especially that an executive order cannot arbitrarily criminalize something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago i think it's that we're arguing from different perspectives. for most people, a law is a regulation is a procedure is an executive order. they all carry about the same weight. when you actually deal with legal specifics the differences matter but to most folk they're cinnamon rolls. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* We gonna find out but they've also just straight up stolen cash from the government so its gonna be fun*, fam. *fun as in lets cut the wire on a bomb and hope we successfully defused it. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -7 points 5 months ago (1 child) executive orders are still law, they just carry less weight than legislative writ. it's complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OldManWithACane@lemmy.zip 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) I hate to be the Akshually guy but they're truly not laws. They're directives for the federal agencies under the control of the executive branch. They have the " force of law " (assuming they're aligned with the constitutional authority of the president) but they're not laws. They don't create crimes, do budgets, or override congress. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago (3 children) if something has the force of law, it's a law analogue and you're arguing sophistry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 9 points 5 months ago* (1 child) law is the profession of specifics… it’s not sophistry; it’s technicality just like trump is not a convicted rapist: he was convicted of sexual assault permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago (1 child) excuse me the entire practice of law is sophistry i almost married a lawyer i should know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) the law is not intended to deceive. the words are complex by necessity, but complexity is not sophistry permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (1 child) i think i see the problem. i think you're an Aussie. in your legal system that might actually be true. i'm in statesia. in a past life i wrote a few entries in the Code of Federal Regulations, if that gives you some guess to the quality of the thinking in there. looking for sense in the government is the quickest path to insanity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 5 months ago technicality remains more important than ever in your current political climate permalink fedilink source parent [–] OldManWithACane@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm not though. They're truly different things and I promise I'm not arguing in bad faith. The differences I mentioned are material, especially that an executive order cannot arbitrarily criminalize something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago i think it's that we're arguing from different perspectives. for most people, a law is a regulation is a procedure is an executive order. they all carry about the same weight. when you actually deal with legal specifics the differences matter but to most folk they're cinnamon rolls. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* We gonna find out but they've also just straight up stolen cash from the government so its gonna be fun*, fam. *fun as in lets cut the wire on a bomb and hope we successfully defused it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OldManWithACane@lemmy.zip 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) I hate to be the Akshually guy but they're truly not laws. They're directives for the federal agencies under the control of the executive branch. They have the " force of law " (assuming they're aligned with the constitutional authority of the president) but they're not laws. They don't create crimes, do budgets, or override congress. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago (3 children) if something has the force of law, it's a law analogue and you're arguing sophistry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 9 points 5 months ago* (1 child) law is the profession of specifics… it’s not sophistry; it’s technicality just like trump is not a convicted rapist: he was convicted of sexual assault permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago (1 child) excuse me the entire practice of law is sophistry i almost married a lawyer i should know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) the law is not intended to deceive. the words are complex by necessity, but complexity is not sophistry permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (1 child) i think i see the problem. i think you're an Aussie. in your legal system that might actually be true. i'm in statesia. in a past life i wrote a few entries in the Code of Federal Regulations, if that gives you some guess to the quality of the thinking in there. looking for sense in the government is the quickest path to insanity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 5 months ago technicality remains more important than ever in your current political climate permalink fedilink source parent [–] OldManWithACane@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm not though. They're truly different things and I promise I'm not arguing in bad faith. The differences I mentioned are material, especially that an executive order cannot arbitrarily criminalize something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago i think it's that we're arguing from different perspectives. for most people, a law is a regulation is a procedure is an executive order. they all carry about the same weight. when you actually deal with legal specifics the differences matter but to most folk they're cinnamon rolls. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* We gonna find out but they've also just straight up stolen cash from the government so its gonna be fun*, fam. *fun as in lets cut the wire on a bomb and hope we successfully defused it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago (3 children) if something has the force of law, it's a law analogue and you're arguing sophistry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 9 points 5 months ago* (1 child) law is the profession of specifics… it’s not sophistry; it’s technicality just like trump is not a convicted rapist: he was convicted of sexual assault permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago (1 child) excuse me the entire practice of law is sophistry i almost married a lawyer i should know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) the law is not intended to deceive. the words are complex by necessity, but complexity is not sophistry permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (1 child) i think i see the problem. i think you're an Aussie. in your legal system that might actually be true. i'm in statesia. in a past life i wrote a few entries in the Code of Federal Regulations, if that gives you some guess to the quality of the thinking in there. looking for sense in the government is the quickest path to insanity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 5 months ago technicality remains more important than ever in your current political climate permalink fedilink source parent [–] OldManWithACane@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm not though. They're truly different things and I promise I'm not arguing in bad faith. The differences I mentioned are material, especially that an executive order cannot arbitrarily criminalize something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago i think it's that we're arguing from different perspectives. for most people, a law is a regulation is a procedure is an executive order. they all carry about the same weight. when you actually deal with legal specifics the differences matter but to most folk they're cinnamon rolls. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* We gonna find out but they've also just straight up stolen cash from the government so its gonna be fun*, fam. *fun as in lets cut the wire on a bomb and hope we successfully defused it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 9 points 5 months ago* (1 child) law is the profession of specifics… it’s not sophistry; it’s technicality just like trump is not a convicted rapist: he was convicted of sexual assault permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago (1 child) excuse me the entire practice of law is sophistry i almost married a lawyer i should know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) the law is not intended to deceive. the words are complex by necessity, but complexity is not sophistry permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (1 child) i think i see the problem. i think you're an Aussie. in your legal system that might actually be true. i'm in statesia. in a past life i wrote a few entries in the Code of Federal Regulations, if that gives you some guess to the quality of the thinking in there. looking for sense in the government is the quickest path to insanity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 5 months ago technicality remains more important than ever in your current political climate permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago (1 child) excuse me the entire practice of law is sophistry i almost married a lawyer i should know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) the law is not intended to deceive. the words are complex by necessity, but complexity is not sophistry permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (1 child) i think i see the problem. i think you're an Aussie. in your legal system that might actually be true. i'm in statesia. in a past life i wrote a few entries in the Code of Federal Regulations, if that gives you some guess to the quality of the thinking in there. looking for sense in the government is the quickest path to insanity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 5 months ago technicality remains more important than ever in your current political climate permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) the law is not intended to deceive. the words are complex by necessity, but complexity is not sophistry permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (1 child) i think i see the problem. i think you're an Aussie. in your legal system that might actually be true. i'm in statesia. in a past life i wrote a few entries in the Code of Federal Regulations, if that gives you some guess to the quality of the thinking in there. looking for sense in the government is the quickest path to insanity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 5 months ago technicality remains more important than ever in your current political climate permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (1 child) i think i see the problem. i think you're an Aussie. in your legal system that might actually be true. i'm in statesia. in a past life i wrote a few entries in the Code of Federal Regulations, if that gives you some guess to the quality of the thinking in there. looking for sense in the government is the quickest path to insanity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 5 months ago technicality remains more important than ever in your current political climate permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 5 months ago technicality remains more important than ever in your current political climate permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OldManWithACane@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm not though. They're truly different things and I promise I'm not arguing in bad faith. The differences I mentioned are material, especially that an executive order cannot arbitrarily criminalize something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago i think it's that we're arguing from different perspectives. for most people, a law is a regulation is a procedure is an executive order. they all carry about the same weight. when you actually deal with legal specifics the differences matter but to most folk they're cinnamon rolls. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago i think it's that we're arguing from different perspectives. for most people, a law is a regulation is a procedure is an executive order. they all carry about the same weight. when you actually deal with legal specifics the differences matter but to most folk they're cinnamon rolls. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* We gonna find out but they've also just straight up stolen cash from the government so its gonna be fun*, fam. *fun as in lets cut the wire on a bomb and hope we successfully defused it. permalink fedilink source parent
