▲ 624 ▼ Autopsy finds Cuban immigrant in ICE custody died of homicide due to asphyxia (apnews.com) submitted 6 months ago by Redditsux@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 46 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] j_elgato@leminal.space 42 points 6 months ago (1 child) "died after guards held him down and he stopped breathing" Fucks sake AP, what's with the passive voice here? Was he holding his fucking breath?? permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (3 children) It's unfortunate but usually wording like that is intentional and necessary, I.E if you say "mother fuckers murdered him" you'll get sued. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child) A couple caveats this only applies if you're a trusted news source - musk or trump could say this tomorrow and would win the case because they're known liars. The implication here is that anyone that can legally get away with saying shit any other way is either a small potato, known liar or if its irrefutable truth. I think in this case, specifically, they could probably say he was murdered by somebody because they already said homocide in the title permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago I'm not saying they're correct in not calling it that, or that the system necessarily works that way, but they'll have lawyers to look over everything in these sorts of scenarios and they'll, usually, ask to play it safe. Also, re point 2, it's different to say "autopsy says it's homicide" vs the paper/journalist saying that they were murdered. Unless it's legally ruled as such (judge/court case), the news agency could be liable if they said it themselves. The headline is essentially just quoting someone else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chemicalprophet@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago Mmm, I smell money. Capitalism is the problem. permalink fedilink source parent [–] j_elgato@leminal.space 2 points 6 months ago Lot of grey area this side of libel, especially for active v passive voice. The other one is when an underage suspect is a person of color you get "17 year old man" rather than "17 year old minor/child/student/driver/suspected victim of police brutality" etc.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (3 children) It's unfortunate but usually wording like that is intentional and necessary, I.E if you say "mother fuckers murdered him" you'll get sued. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child) A couple caveats this only applies if you're a trusted news source - musk or trump could say this tomorrow and would win the case because they're known liars. The implication here is that anyone that can legally get away with saying shit any other way is either a small potato, known liar or if its irrefutable truth. I think in this case, specifically, they could probably say he was murdered by somebody because they already said homocide in the title permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago I'm not saying they're correct in not calling it that, or that the system necessarily works that way, but they'll have lawyers to look over everything in these sorts of scenarios and they'll, usually, ask to play it safe. Also, re point 2, it's different to say "autopsy says it's homicide" vs the paper/journalist saying that they were murdered. Unless it's legally ruled as such (judge/court case), the news agency could be liable if they said it themselves. The headline is essentially just quoting someone else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chemicalprophet@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago Mmm, I smell money. Capitalism is the problem. permalink fedilink source parent [–] j_elgato@leminal.space 2 points 6 months ago Lot of grey area this side of libel, especially for active v passive voice. The other one is when an underage suspect is a person of color you get "17 year old man" rather than "17 year old minor/child/student/driver/suspected victim of police brutality" etc.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child) A couple caveats this only applies if you're a trusted news source - musk or trump could say this tomorrow and would win the case because they're known liars. The implication here is that anyone that can legally get away with saying shit any other way is either a small potato, known liar or if its irrefutable truth. I think in this case, specifically, they could probably say he was murdered by somebody because they already said homocide in the title permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago I'm not saying they're correct in not calling it that, or that the system necessarily works that way, but they'll have lawyers to look over everything in these sorts of scenarios and they'll, usually, ask to play it safe. Also, re point 2, it's different to say "autopsy says it's homicide" vs the paper/journalist saying that they were murdered. Unless it's legally ruled as such (judge/court case), the news agency could be liable if they said it themselves. The headline is essentially just quoting someone else. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago I'm not saying they're correct in not calling it that, or that the system necessarily works that way, but they'll have lawyers to look over everything in these sorts of scenarios and they'll, usually, ask to play it safe. Also, re point 2, it's different to say "autopsy says it's homicide" vs the paper/journalist saying that they were murdered. Unless it's legally ruled as such (judge/court case), the news agency could be liable if they said it themselves. The headline is essentially just quoting someone else. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chemicalprophet@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago Mmm, I smell money. Capitalism is the problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] j_elgato@leminal.space 2 points 6 months ago Lot of grey area this side of libel, especially for active v passive voice. The other one is when an underage suspect is a person of color you get "17 year old man" rather than "17 year old minor/child/student/driver/suspected victim of police brutality" etc.. permalink fedilink source parent