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[+] 183 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)
  • [–] 59 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Exactly. A lot of people seem to think that different = worse, or that not supporting the same software means it supports less software. I couldn't move to Windows right now because there is a ton of stuff I use Linux for that Windows has no alternative, or the alternatives are terrible. It works both ways.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly, I love having a w11 rig AND a laptop with zorin and a laptop with w10 and a old all in one with mint. Variety is the spice of life, I need a Windows laptop to tune my cars ecus. Simply not able to do it in Linux, but my Linux laptop has stuff my windows doesn't. Real ones can't just live with one os B)

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I wonder if the software you need for cars would run under Wine.

    For years I kept one Windows laptop running only so I could use one proprietary app that I used occasionally when teaching. It was not ideal, but whatever. Then Windows started showing ads. on the desktop. that I was showing to my students! That I will not tolerate. So I poked around with Wine and found out I could run that app on my Mint laptop!

    Goodbye forever TinyFlaccid. Go fuck yourself.

    (note: I do have to use a windows machine for one thing still - to print at work using my company supplied office computer. sigh.)

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    This is simply not true. I don't understand what lying about this does for anyone.

    As a recent Linux convert, pretty much every hardware has full windows support while Linux you'll have to hunt for shit.

    Basic stuff like Nvidia graphics cards or even Logitech peripherals will not "just work" on Linux.

    Again, I love Linux and for me the pain was worth it, and most of the issues aren't really Linux's fault, it's the manufacturers who are assholes, but your average windows user had no idea about who's responsible when their mouse won't work and they can't install Logitech software.

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  • [–] 56 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    On Linux Mint, my Nvidia graphics card and Logitech keyboard and mouse just worked.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    I have a bunch of different laptop models at work. For the most part, they do all Just Work with Ubuntu.

    At one point the newest models would drop to a black screen after installation, but I guess that was fixed with some update because even those work now.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago*

    Yeah, my old machines (and work laptop!) are all nvidia, and it's nice how seamlessly it works.

    With the main version of mint that's based on ubuntu, you get a driver manager so that you can choose between driver versions if needed.

    With Linux Mint Debian Edition, it worked fine for general use out of the box with the open source driver. I went looking for info about the nvidia driver out of curiosity, and after stumbling upon some forum discussion I went ahead and tried "sudo apt install nvidia-driver" and it freaking worked!

    • note I might be slightly off on that command, this is just from memory. And I probably enabled non-free software previously, because I know nvidia's reputation with linux enthusiasts.

    edit to add: it did a LONG setup process to enable the nvidia driver too. I think it compiled some kernel modules and stuff too. But I like reading all that lovely monospaced terminal text scroll by with those details most users can ignore.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    I swapped a year ago, I went from Mint to Fedora then to Cachy. I use Debian on a home server and now NixOS on my laptop. I would say this is more of an issue with you and or the distro you chose aswell your hardware. In the last two months I even swapped my little brother to fedora cause all he does is game and all of the sudden I am not having to help him do anything or fix random errors, the only "hard" part or searching was nvidia and that was simple after reading one page of documentation. It all depends on what you choose, your desire to learn and your hardware. Also on Windows you have to go find the correct website and download the correct file from there, which is getting harder and harder with search engines feeding you the highest bidder instead of the actual site you need (This is how my bro used to get viruses because he didnt understand vetting websites)

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    if it's just gaming, consider a side-grade to bazzite:

    it's an atomic fedora distro (even has a dedicated Nvidia installer), meaning it's more difficult to break and easier to rollback when it breaks!

    and it has a bunch of gaming related tools pre-installed, which is helpful, but not the main selling point imo.

    anyways, yeah, linux gaming is really, REALLY easy these days!

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    I forgot about bazzite I had it on my rog ally x for a bit, it was pretty nice I just swapped it to cachyos for better performance I may end up swapping him over to bazzite though, thanks for reminding me of it!

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The main difference is that the additional software you need to install doesn't always come from the manufacturer on Linux. Other than that it's actually pretty similar.

    Heck, there are even devices that work better under Linux, such as the Logitech F710 gamepad. That one has been subtly incompatible with the USB stack of every Windows after 7 while it works with Linux just fine.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You might have been unlucky. I never had serious installation issues when installing Ubuntu on a lot of different computers in the past five years. Just started the installer, click next a few times and reboot into the new installation. It used to be some tinkering required to get everything to work, but apart from having to enable the proprietary Nvidia driver in a GUI (and having to search for it) everything else just worked. My last Windows install however was a shitshow. Took ages and I had to disable a ton of surveillance stuff. On top of that I had to go through some weird hoops to keep the thing from requiring me to create a Microsoft account. What distro did you use? I guess some are more difficult than others

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    even Logitech peripherals will not "just work" on Linux

    I'm sorry, I did IT for years and still do it for friends if they make it worth the trouble. So, I have to ask, what the hell are you talking about?

    Pretty much every logitech paripheral has worked perfectly for me on both windows or linux. It's a mouse and keyboard, generic drivers work perfectly fine. Hell, I use a trackball mouse and that works plig and play on linux. Hell, open up a new windows computer run through the setup then disconnect it from the internet then plug in a logitech keyboard. Look at the driver for it in windows, it will probably be "generic keyboard driver". It's a keyboard.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    On Fedora I go to the repo (app store) and install the Nvidia drivers… on windows I have to download them from the Nvidia site. I’m not sure what you are talking about. Linux is easier but it’s pretty much the same process.

    For Logitech use Solaar, also available in most distribution’s repos.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I get what you're saying, but it's not really true.

    If the only program you run is a web browser, then you're probably right, but only because Linux expects you to know how to use your computer and install updates yourself.

    Linux has achieved a very stable OS that offers a very granular experience, which is great if you know what you're doing, but if you don't, it's pretty arcane. The ability to configure everything on your system exactly how you want it to run is a double edged sword.

    If you want anything beyond what is offered out of the box, you'll need to interact with the terminal at some point, which is a pretty steep learning curve for the average user.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    If you want anything beyond what is offered

    Aye, if you're not using any of the preconfigured forks like Bazzite, popOS!, Kubuntu or Mint

    But they exist cause they install all that shit for you, same as Windows does

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It is.

    And honestly, remembering the stuff I had to do to play the original Doom at a LAN party back in the day.

    • Buy a sound card (some PCs came with, mine didn't)
    • Install the sound card drivers correctly
    • Edit the computer's config.sys file to assure the operating system drivers were loaded in such an order as to allow enough of Bill Gates' 640 kb RAM available to load a game
    • Borrow (!) a network card from my dad's computer, and open up the PC to jam it in there
    • Install network drivers
    • Path the physical coaxial network cables through all PCs and terminate them correctly
    • Configure the game to know which direct memory address (bank 1) and hardware interrupt request id (5) it needed to talk to the sound card
    • Yes hello also find a smaller mouse driver and load it correctly because by now all the networking and audio stuff is making those 640kb tight

    We all did that back then!

    If someone was a "gamer" they were not afraid to do this because they either knew how or knew a friend who was happy to help.

    Compare that to what I do today that most gamers consider "mind-numbingly super nerd impossible bullshit lol linux sux", running GNU GUIX:

    • Find a channel for the nvidia drivers. Add it to my system config, 2 lines.
    • Find a channel for Steam. Add it to my system config, 2 lines.
    • Oh no I had to add 2 more lines for nvidia by following clear documentation.

    O hey everything just works. Proton kicks in automatically.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Correct.

    If you can't figure a modern linux distro, that is specifically geared towards being n00b friendly (there are a good number) ...

    ... its time to retire from thinking you are tech savvy, its time to hang up that hat, time to humble yourself a bit, realize you overspecialized in the wrong direction.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Sometimes different is even better! When I switched to Linux a few months back I didn't anticipate just how much I would like the Gnome desktop environment. Now I sometimes even try flicking down my mouse to switch tabs on my Win11 work pc and get a pang of disappointment when it doesn't work.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I just set up a raspberry pi and i couldn’t figure out if it would automatically update, there wasn’t any gui option for it.

    I found a few websites all with different methods to set up auto update. One of the most accepted was some cli that was encouraged to copy/paste. It installed something, but it then needed additional config to work on rpi.

    30 mins from the time I powered on it was ready. In windows, it’s enabled out of the box and searching for “updates” on the task bar finds it for you.

    Which of these OS’s was easier?

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Raspberry OS is, imho, is not really representative of the desktop Linux experience. It's a bit like Gentoo or Arch. Great OS's, for their intended use cases.

    While RPis with Raspberry OS can be a decent desktop replacement in a pinch (I've done it), it's more intended for learning and experimentation.

    If you're intending to use it as your primary computer, I'd recommend using Ubuntu or Fedora. And running the OS on an USB3 external solid state drive.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Last time I used Raapbian there was a GUI for updates, and I think it would show a notification periodically for updates.

    This is mostly a difference of not knowing really. I have a Mac at work and it seems incredibly hard to do easy things, but mostly because I'm not used to it nor I bother to learn.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    @Brkdncr @the_q in some cases is windows, in some cases is linux..

    I developped an browser exntesion that needed do comunicate with external apps, in linux I setup the NativeHost file and took about 15 mins to make that comunication, on windows I took several hours debugin regedit

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Find me two programs and I will switch completely. One that allows me to burn my dvd/blu rays with no cap that can convert to MP4s. Second app I have is Audible and I can download the files. Then with TunFab convert those files into MP3s. Only reason I am still using Windows. Oh not to mention the app that allows me to pull Amazon Music files and convert them to MP3s.

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