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[–] 30 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Na, never has been different. Look up any thread that even mildly implies men could do something wrong and it's only hate from there on.

I wonder why tough. Lemmy is fairly left, pro LGBTQI+, etc. but in regards to anything mildly feminist you get... well, this kind of lovely thread.

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  • [–] [S] 27 points 7 months ago*

    I feel bad for note paying attention to it sooner. I think I'm going to have to post more of this sort of content all over the place to piss of the sexists.

    Sadly brocialism is a thing amongst some leftists.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    lemmy is a network mostly populated by cis white men. like a lot of liberal/leftist spaces populated by cis white men, it’s going to be progressive on the surface; i.e., they oppose right wing shit. say here that you support the right to abortion, immigration or gay marriage, and you’re not going to meet much pushback.

    but, as soon as you start criticizing dominant groups (or just, say that they have power over oppressed people), now people yell at you. you can see that here, but also, say that anti-white racism is not a thing, or even just that it’s not comparable to actual racism, and you’ll wonder if you actually logged into reddit by accident.

    heck, just criticize people’s behavior as bigoted here and they’ll rip you apart…

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Yeah, that tracks. I wonder if the average age being around 40 adds to that equation. I am 40ish myself, but encounter a lot of cis white men in their tweens in left spaces, that seem to be quite reflected im regards to feminist topics.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Because it's unnecessarily inflammatory. The "bear or men" thing is apparently interpreted completely differently by at least some men and women and instead of listening to each other it just ends up as hate for each other. Why would you want to piss of the men that are on your side?

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Why would you want to piss of the men that are on your side?

    ... If this question pisses you off, maybe you're not as on the side of women as you think you are.

    They're not asking if people would feel more safe with a bear or you, they're asking about a completely random, unknown man.

    I'm sure you are one of the good ones, I'm sure the majority of people on this thread are, but it's not about that, it's about the unknown.

    You shouldn't be pissed off at women for being afraid of men, you should be pissed off at men that make women afraid.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Nobody wants to be lumped in with a bunch of people they find disgusting, which is what the question is about. I can fully understand women replying the way they do, but I can also fully understand men getting upset over the implication. It's bullshit ragebait and dividing us unnecessarily.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago

    If you're upset over the implication then I have bad news for you: every time you're walking down the street and about to pass a woman, the exact same thought is likely going through her head. There's a very high chance that said thought is from prior experiences, too.

    The key thing is that it's not about you, it's not an attack on your or your character, it's about how women feel. I can appreciate why the question feels like rage bait, but you have to also consider that the only reason it feels like rage bait is because so many women feel the way they do and you have to ask why that is. You then have to consider your position, if you would rather that women didn't feel that way, what are you going to do about it? If anything.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago*

    I can also fully understand men getting upset over the implication.

    The implication that their unknown behavior makes them potentially dangerous gets them upset to the point that they lash out and show exactly that their unknown behavior is, in fact, dangerous? No, I don't understand it, and I understand it proves that the question is right. If this makes someone upset, that person is the danger. It is not divisive because it has always been true for everyone who is subject to it, what makes you upset is that it is being pointed out and explained to you why it has always been bad and why this divide has always been there while you pretended that it didn't exist. I don't get upset when someone points out the existence of a problem that I already knew was there. Hell, even if I didn't know it was there, my reaction is oh shit is that an issue what can we do about this, not how dare you show this to me.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Well, it's egalitarian, so there's your answer. Equal

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Fuck equality!

    image

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I do love that picture. I wish it'd be more reflected in real life. That said, none of those people are being brought DOWN - the people in need are being brought UP. Big difference

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Fuck misogynists.

    If you're not a misogynist you shouldn't feel hurt when I say that.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Agreed. But it's not "would you rather be stuck in the woods alone with a bear or a misogynist", it's with a man, isn't it? People can't help what they're born as. You're judging them for something completely out of their control. Their gender no less, which a lot of men aren't happy they were assigned. And on the other hand you're actively shitting on trans masc choices to be men. I just don't think this sweeping sexism is the answer.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    It's not sweeping sexism, it's just toxic masculinity that's the problem.

    Feminism is the solution to most problems with men. Men are the ones rejecting the solution without even considering it. So who is sexist here?

    Nobody is faulting men for their gender. They are being accused of protecting the bad actors by acting like 'no there is not a problem, I'm the good one'.

    By staying oblivious in face of the facts, and not owning up to it and saying 'those stats are fucked up, we need to do better', you are part of the problem.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    If I offered you some candy from a big bowl of Skittles and told you that only a handful were poisoned, would you eat one?

    One bad apple spoils the bunch etc.

    The man/bear thing seems stupid to me - but that's probably just because I've missed the point of it.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    A potential solution to a lot of gender-related issues is to make agender the default. Gender should be opt-in not opt-out. This way more people will not have a gender to be treated as, and people will get more used to treating people in the same way with little regard for gender.

    However, this would be difficult.

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