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Children killed in mass shooting at kids' birthday party in California (news.sky.com)
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[–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

you could do it quicker, like australia did, with a gun buy back scheme
regarding suicides, guns are way too easy. with most other methods, one needs to invest a more mental and physical effort, in which time they might change their minds, or others might intervene
also insert the onion article title

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    you could do it quicker, like australia did, with a gun buy back scheme

    Australia had a 60% turn in rate on around 1 million firearms, of which they now have more guns in civ hands than before the buy back. Yet still have a lower rate of gun deaths than we do. Why because they actually have safety nets and give a fuck about their citizens. If we had a 60% turn in rate, there would still be 100+ million firearms in civ hands. 100xs more than what Australia had.

    regarding suicides, guns are way too easy. with most other methods, one needs to invest a more mental and physical effort, in which time they might change their minds, or others might intervene

    Jumping off a building or hanging or any other form of suicide are the other 50% of suicide. So yes firearms are effective and heavily used but you still have 50% using other methods.

    also insert the onion article title

    While that's always a funny bit, it literally doesn't get the other reasons why it won't work. Prohibition doesn't work, but it's gonna magically work on firearms?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    it seems the only argument the pro-gun side seems to be able to muster is "it wouldn't 100% work, so there's no point even trying"
    do you agree with charlie kirk, it's worth having a few (tens of thousand) deaths a year to be able "protect your god given rights"? (makes perfect sense, if you don't think about it) the onion title is not "funny" imo, it's upsetting and true, which is kind of a black comedy when you see people genuinely argue for it
    nobody is talking about prohibition, "just" regulation, but also guns are nothing like alcohol or heavy drugs even

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    it seems the only argument the pro-gun side seems to be able to muster is "it wouldn't 100% work, so there's no point even trying"

    That's not what I said at all, what I said was focusing on our citizens well-being will have a much greater impact on gun violence than trying to ban guns.

    do you agree with charlie kirk, it's worth having a few (tens of thousand) deaths a year to be able "protect your god given rights"? (makes perfect sense, if you don't think about it)

    12-13k people die a year from drunk driving deaths per year, nearly as many as all gun homicides combined (sans suicides which make up 2/3rds of gun deaths). So by your logic, we should ban alcohol and that's the best approach.

    Also trying to use that piece of racist shit as a "gotcha" on gun rights is pretty weak, you gonna also toss out that hitler liked bread so I must agree with him too right?

    the onion title is not "funny" imo, it's upsetting and true, which is kind of a black comedy when you see people genuinely argue for it

    I argue for it, because people like you suggest that the dems use political capital to try and push more gun control when it has very little support, instead of trying to actually solve our societies problems that would have much greater effect on gun violence.

    nobody is talking about prohibition, "just" regulation, but also guns are nothing like alcohol or heavy drugs even

    Nearly 4Xs the number of people die via alcohol consumption (178k on average) per year than all gun deaths combined. That's not even adding in drugs. So you don't really care about deaths. Just how they die.

    And yes, you aren't suggesting regulation, you're suggesting a ban, because that's what a buy back effectively is.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    This guy is an textbook example of a dumb strawman, especially the gun trotting yankistani dumbass kind.

    Alcohol doesn't kill someone else out of nowhere. Long term alcoholism or drunk driving does, for which you have to be on the road or nearby it, which everyone and their grandmother already know are inherently dangerous are people inherently become alert and cautious around roads.

    Can you fucking take out alcohol in a busy mall, spray everyone, and kill them?

    Holy fucking shit, are you even aware of the mental gymnastic it takes to equate guns to alcohol?

    Why not say let's ban water because everyone who drinks it dies?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    This guy is an textbook example of a dumb strawman, especially the gun trotting yankistani dumbass kind.

    It's not, you type don't care about people dying, you just don't like it when guns are used.

    Alcohol doesn't kill someone else out of nowhere. Long term alcoholism or drunk driving does, for which you have to be on the road or nearby it, which everyone and their grandmother already know are inherently dangerous are people inherently become alert and cautious around roads.

    It...kinda does. Did...did you not read my comment that 12-13k people a year are killed by drunk drivers? Shit that's even more random than gun violence? Alcohol has 0 net uses in society....so why aren't you mouthy about alcohol? Is it because you don't give a shit about deaths just how they die? Gonna answer for you and say yep.

    Can you fucking take out alcohol in a busy mall, spray everyone, and kill them?

    Random Mass shootings equate to less than 200 people a year death wise on average. Most mass shootings are targeted and not random. In which alcohol is still king of killing people at random on the road.

    Holy fucking shit, are you even aware of the mental gymnastic it takes to equate guns to alcohol?

    Considering how far you had to jump around not to get the references... I understand the topic pretty damn well. You on the other hand are another "guns scare me, please ban them all, and I'll magically feel safe"

    Why not say let's ban water because everyone who drinks it dies?

    Yes because I forgot how everyone needs alcohol to survive. Gotta get my 8 shots a day to feel healthy.

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