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[+] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -7 points 9 months ago (2 children) The protocol was built to exchange cryptocurrency over it. No it wasn't... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 9 points 9 months ago (2 children) instead of asking obviously leading questions, why not tell people what you know? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) What's wrong with using rhetorical questions as a response when people talk shit without expanding on it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) depends on the thing you're asking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) The example we were discussing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) well in this case it was made clear they were mistaken about the whole thing and therefore the passive-aggressive tone they were using was completely unwarranted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? I thought we were talking about where they asked what was meant by "crypto powered social media" because that was vague wording that could correctly refer to all social media's use of cryptography / nostr's more advanced cryptography, but could also incorrectly imply nostr runs on a blockchain or something, depending whether the crypto is supposed to be short for "cryptography" or "cryptographic currency" (cryptocurrency) I didn't see anywhere in this thread where the user asking that question was mistaken about anything permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) this was discussed elsewhere. nostr is tightly coupled to lightning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child) I have never put a lightning address on my current nostr profile. I spend hours a day on nostr and people only comment on me being "unzappable" (untippable) a few times a month But are you saying you'd quit piefed if they added a built in wallet for every user? For me it would depend how it works Either way I thought we were discussing the rhetorical question about "crypto powered social media." That seemed like a totally fair way to save time getting clarification, instead of explaining the whole issue with the vagueness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) nostr has a pretty bad reputation due to the nature of the protocol's inception and the people involved. any time that specific network is brought up, the discussion pivots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago I agree on those points at least permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -5 points 9 months ago (1 child) That wasn't a question... If people are going to make wild assertions, I'm going to question them about them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) your previous two replies were. and by "just asking questions" about things you obviously know more about, you're not adding to the conversation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) So if someone says "the moon is made is of unicorns" and I say "what are you talking about? no it isn't..." is that JAQing off? I'd call it challenging someone making an absurd claim. There aren't any concepts or domain expertise I'm hiding here -- I'm merely saying "wtf are you talking about??" to someone spouting off random nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) false equivalency. they made a plausible claim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Which one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) the fact that nostr is very tightly integrated with bitcoin, to the point that the lightning network extension basically is part of the standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) I mean, re-reading, I guess I should have asked how it's like Twitter. Lightning being duct-taped to the side, while being normatively loaded, is actually accurate since the lightning integration is just that. One protocol interacting with another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) it is like twitter in that it's designed to be like twitter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah yes, Twitter, the famous protocol for sending signed JSON blobs over a relay network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) no, as in, the developer built nostr because he wanted a twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn't be banned from. really, this is skim-reading territory. you could have saved us both a lot of time by just reading the history of the thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn’t be banned from. Wow, what a good faith breakdown! No, he wanted the ability to build microblogging platforms (among other stuff) on top of a decentralized relay network. But of course, you only skim-read, so can't blame you too much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) better than not reading at all, apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child) That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/ In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else. Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent [–] XLE@piefed.social 5 points 9 months ago (1 child) Can you provide any counterevidence to the claims? To quote them: "Nostr was kickstarted mostly by a community of Bitcoiners, so it has disproportionately attracted the attention of Bitcoiners." The "optional" Bitcoin payment system is baked into the biggest Nostr clients. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago (1 child) The claim was: The protocol was built to exchange cryptocurrency over it. Not: The protocol attracted attention primarily from Bitcoiners who built tools around it to support payments The new, watered-down framing of your claim sorta just makes me think: "Okay? And?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago (2 children) I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. The fact they left the smoking gun on their own website is enough for me, but clearly you have an agenda of your own. Unless you expect everyone here to believe that the protocol, the clients, the funders, and the creators all just coincidentally love Bitcoin, you've got a lot of explaining to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child) I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. OK. The inventor of nostr's own wiki entry for nostr defines it as a thing for sending tweets, with zero mention of exchanging cryptocurrency. Also, as a nostr veteran, I have no idea how you'd exchange cryptocurrency on nostr except just asking random people to trade with you. I don't see why you wouldn't just use bisq or haveno if you want decentralized crypto trading permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) I don't know why you would refer to a man who believes Bitcoin is a gift from God as evidence his protocol isn't about Bitcoin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* It's probably not about Bitcoin (in the long run) but it's definitely not started as a crypto exchange like the original claim said More like started as a twitter full of people obsessed with bitcoin permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -5 points 9 months ago* (1 child) I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. Then you don't know how burden of proof works. Instead of demanding that you back up your claim, I accepted that you wanted to water it down and refine it into something you could better defend. Which is a very milque-toast, who-cares claim. Do you want me to have forced you to back up your original claim and devolve into semantics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) I provided proof. With links. Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence? Do you genuinely believe that? Or do you just think that everybody here is gullible? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) I provided proof. With links. I don't get how you can blatantly lie like this and have vote scores that make it look otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Would you like to claim that Bitcoin crap doesn't infest Nostr? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Of course I wouldn't permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago To be fair, I have some dedicated fans following me around to downvote me and post snark. permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) I provided proof. With links. Sigh, I guess you do want to play games. Okay -- no you didn't. Neither of those links demonstrate that the purpose behind creating Nostr was to exchange cryptocurrency. Would you like to try again? Or accept that you didn't mean it like that? Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence? Did you reply to the wrong person or something...? I never made any claims like that... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don't. Why don't you tell us what you think, instead of JAQing off about it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don’t. Of course it's not a coincidence. Now would you like to back up your original claim, or admit that it wasn't what you meant? I didn't want to play these stupid games, but clearly you have an agenda here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Of course it's not a coincidence. Great. Bye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Better luck next time! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 9 points 9 months ago (2 children) instead of asking obviously leading questions, why not tell people what you know? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) What's wrong with using rhetorical questions as a response when people talk shit without expanding on it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) depends on the thing you're asking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) The example we were discussing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) well in this case it was made clear they were mistaken about the whole thing and therefore the passive-aggressive tone they were using was completely unwarranted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? I thought we were talking about where they asked what was meant by "crypto powered social media" because that was vague wording that could correctly refer to all social media's use of cryptography / nostr's more advanced cryptography, but could also incorrectly imply nostr runs on a blockchain or something, depending whether the crypto is supposed to be short for "cryptography" or "cryptographic currency" (cryptocurrency) I didn't see anywhere in this thread where the user asking that question was mistaken about anything permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) this was discussed elsewhere. nostr is tightly coupled to lightning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child) I have never put a lightning address on my current nostr profile. I spend hours a day on nostr and people only comment on me being "unzappable" (untippable) a few times a month But are you saying you'd quit piefed if they added a built in wallet for every user? For me it would depend how it works Either way I thought we were discussing the rhetorical question about "crypto powered social media." That seemed like a totally fair way to save time getting clarification, instead of explaining the whole issue with the vagueness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) nostr has a pretty bad reputation due to the nature of the protocol's inception and the people involved. any time that specific network is brought up, the discussion pivots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago I agree on those points at least permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -5 points 9 months ago (1 child) That wasn't a question... If people are going to make wild assertions, I'm going to question them about them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) your previous two replies were. and by "just asking questions" about things you obviously know more about, you're not adding to the conversation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) So if someone says "the moon is made is of unicorns" and I say "what are you talking about? no it isn't..." is that JAQing off? I'd call it challenging someone making an absurd claim. There aren't any concepts or domain expertise I'm hiding here -- I'm merely saying "wtf are you talking about??" to someone spouting off random nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) false equivalency. they made a plausible claim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Which one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) the fact that nostr is very tightly integrated with bitcoin, to the point that the lightning network extension basically is part of the standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) I mean, re-reading, I guess I should have asked how it's like Twitter. Lightning being duct-taped to the side, while being normatively loaded, is actually accurate since the lightning integration is just that. One protocol interacting with another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) it is like twitter in that it's designed to be like twitter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah yes, Twitter, the famous protocol for sending signed JSON blobs over a relay network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) no, as in, the developer built nostr because he wanted a twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn't be banned from. really, this is skim-reading territory. you could have saved us both a lot of time by just reading the history of the thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn’t be banned from. Wow, what a good faith breakdown! No, he wanted the ability to build microblogging platforms (among other stuff) on top of a decentralized relay network. But of course, you only skim-read, so can't blame you too much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) better than not reading at all, apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child) That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/ In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else. Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) What's wrong with using rhetorical questions as a response when people talk shit without expanding on it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) depends on the thing you're asking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) The example we were discussing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) well in this case it was made clear they were mistaken about the whole thing and therefore the passive-aggressive tone they were using was completely unwarranted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? I thought we were talking about where they asked what was meant by "crypto powered social media" because that was vague wording that could correctly refer to all social media's use of cryptography / nostr's more advanced cryptography, but could also incorrectly imply nostr runs on a blockchain or something, depending whether the crypto is supposed to be short for "cryptography" or "cryptographic currency" (cryptocurrency) I didn't see anywhere in this thread where the user asking that question was mistaken about anything permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) this was discussed elsewhere. nostr is tightly coupled to lightning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child) I have never put a lightning address on my current nostr profile. I spend hours a day on nostr and people only comment on me being "unzappable" (untippable) a few times a month But are you saying you'd quit piefed if they added a built in wallet for every user? For me it would depend how it works Either way I thought we were discussing the rhetorical question about "crypto powered social media." That seemed like a totally fair way to save time getting clarification, instead of explaining the whole issue with the vagueness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) nostr has a pretty bad reputation due to the nature of the protocol's inception and the people involved. any time that specific network is brought up, the discussion pivots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago I agree on those points at least permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) depends on the thing you're asking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) The example we were discussing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) well in this case it was made clear they were mistaken about the whole thing and therefore the passive-aggressive tone they were using was completely unwarranted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? I thought we were talking about where they asked what was meant by "crypto powered social media" because that was vague wording that could correctly refer to all social media's use of cryptography / nostr's more advanced cryptography, but could also incorrectly imply nostr runs on a blockchain or something, depending whether the crypto is supposed to be short for "cryptography" or "cryptographic currency" (cryptocurrency) I didn't see anywhere in this thread where the user asking that question was mistaken about anything permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) this was discussed elsewhere. nostr is tightly coupled to lightning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child) I have never put a lightning address on my current nostr profile. I spend hours a day on nostr and people only comment on me being "unzappable" (untippable) a few times a month But are you saying you'd quit piefed if they added a built in wallet for every user? For me it would depend how it works Either way I thought we were discussing the rhetorical question about "crypto powered social media." That seemed like a totally fair way to save time getting clarification, instead of explaining the whole issue with the vagueness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) nostr has a pretty bad reputation due to the nature of the protocol's inception and the people involved. any time that specific network is brought up, the discussion pivots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago I agree on those points at least permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) The example we were discussing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) well in this case it was made clear they were mistaken about the whole thing and therefore the passive-aggressive tone they were using was completely unwarranted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? I thought we were talking about where they asked what was meant by "crypto powered social media" because that was vague wording that could correctly refer to all social media's use of cryptography / nostr's more advanced cryptography, but could also incorrectly imply nostr runs on a blockchain or something, depending whether the crypto is supposed to be short for "cryptography" or "cryptographic currency" (cryptocurrency) I didn't see anywhere in this thread where the user asking that question was mistaken about anything permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) this was discussed elsewhere. nostr is tightly coupled to lightning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child) I have never put a lightning address on my current nostr profile. I spend hours a day on nostr and people only comment on me being "unzappable" (untippable) a few times a month But are you saying you'd quit piefed if they added a built in wallet for every user? For me it would depend how it works Either way I thought we were discussing the rhetorical question about "crypto powered social media." That seemed like a totally fair way to save time getting clarification, instead of explaining the whole issue with the vagueness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) nostr has a pretty bad reputation due to the nature of the protocol's inception and the people involved. any time that specific network is brought up, the discussion pivots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago I agree on those points at least permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) well in this case it was made clear they were mistaken about the whole thing and therefore the passive-aggressive tone they were using was completely unwarranted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? I thought we were talking about where they asked what was meant by "crypto powered social media" because that was vague wording that could correctly refer to all social media's use of cryptography / nostr's more advanced cryptography, but could also incorrectly imply nostr runs on a blockchain or something, depending whether the crypto is supposed to be short for "cryptography" or "cryptographic currency" (cryptocurrency) I didn't see anywhere in this thread where the user asking that question was mistaken about anything permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) this was discussed elsewhere. nostr is tightly coupled to lightning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child) I have never put a lightning address on my current nostr profile. I spend hours a day on nostr and people only comment on me being "unzappable" (untippable) a few times a month But are you saying you'd quit piefed if they added a built in wallet for every user? For me it would depend how it works Either way I thought we were discussing the rhetorical question about "crypto powered social media." That seemed like a totally fair way to save time getting clarification, instead of explaining the whole issue with the vagueness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) nostr has a pretty bad reputation due to the nature of the protocol's inception and the people involved. any time that specific network is brought up, the discussion pivots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago I agree on those points at least permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child) What are you talking about? I thought we were talking about where they asked what was meant by "crypto powered social media" because that was vague wording that could correctly refer to all social media's use of cryptography / nostr's more advanced cryptography, but could also incorrectly imply nostr runs on a blockchain or something, depending whether the crypto is supposed to be short for "cryptography" or "cryptographic currency" (cryptocurrency) I didn't see anywhere in this thread where the user asking that question was mistaken about anything permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) this was discussed elsewhere. nostr is tightly coupled to lightning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child) I have never put a lightning address on my current nostr profile. I spend hours a day on nostr and people only comment on me being "unzappable" (untippable) a few times a month But are you saying you'd quit piefed if they added a built in wallet for every user? For me it would depend how it works Either way I thought we were discussing the rhetorical question about "crypto powered social media." That seemed like a totally fair way to save time getting clarification, instead of explaining the whole issue with the vagueness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) nostr has a pretty bad reputation due to the nature of the protocol's inception and the people involved. any time that specific network is brought up, the discussion pivots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago I agree on those points at least permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) this was discussed elsewhere. nostr is tightly coupled to lightning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child) I have never put a lightning address on my current nostr profile. I spend hours a day on nostr and people only comment on me being "unzappable" (untippable) a few times a month But are you saying you'd quit piefed if they added a built in wallet for every user? For me it would depend how it works Either way I thought we were discussing the rhetorical question about "crypto powered social media." That seemed like a totally fair way to save time getting clarification, instead of explaining the whole issue with the vagueness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) nostr has a pretty bad reputation due to the nature of the protocol's inception and the people involved. any time that specific network is brought up, the discussion pivots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago I agree on those points at least permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child) I have never put a lightning address on my current nostr profile. I spend hours a day on nostr and people only comment on me being "unzappable" (untippable) a few times a month But are you saying you'd quit piefed if they added a built in wallet for every user? For me it would depend how it works Either way I thought we were discussing the rhetorical question about "crypto powered social media." That seemed like a totally fair way to save time getting clarification, instead of explaining the whole issue with the vagueness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) nostr has a pretty bad reputation due to the nature of the protocol's inception and the people involved. any time that specific network is brought up, the discussion pivots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago I agree on those points at least permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) nostr has a pretty bad reputation due to the nature of the protocol's inception and the people involved. any time that specific network is brought up, the discussion pivots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago I agree on those points at least permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago I agree on those points at least permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -5 points 9 months ago (1 child) That wasn't a question... If people are going to make wild assertions, I'm going to question them about them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) your previous two replies were. and by "just asking questions" about things you obviously know more about, you're not adding to the conversation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) So if someone says "the moon is made is of unicorns" and I say "what are you talking about? no it isn't..." is that JAQing off? I'd call it challenging someone making an absurd claim. There aren't any concepts or domain expertise I'm hiding here -- I'm merely saying "wtf are you talking about??" to someone spouting off random nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) false equivalency. they made a plausible claim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Which one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) the fact that nostr is very tightly integrated with bitcoin, to the point that the lightning network extension basically is part of the standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) I mean, re-reading, I guess I should have asked how it's like Twitter. Lightning being duct-taped to the side, while being normatively loaded, is actually accurate since the lightning integration is just that. One protocol interacting with another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) it is like twitter in that it's designed to be like twitter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah yes, Twitter, the famous protocol for sending signed JSON blobs over a relay network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) no, as in, the developer built nostr because he wanted a twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn't be banned from. really, this is skim-reading territory. you could have saved us both a lot of time by just reading the history of the thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn’t be banned from. Wow, what a good faith breakdown! No, he wanted the ability to build microblogging platforms (among other stuff) on top of a decentralized relay network. But of course, you only skim-read, so can't blame you too much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) better than not reading at all, apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child) That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/ In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else. Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) your previous two replies were. and by "just asking questions" about things you obviously know more about, you're not adding to the conversation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) So if someone says "the moon is made is of unicorns" and I say "what are you talking about? no it isn't..." is that JAQing off? I'd call it challenging someone making an absurd claim. There aren't any concepts or domain expertise I'm hiding here -- I'm merely saying "wtf are you talking about??" to someone spouting off random nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) false equivalency. they made a plausible claim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Which one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) the fact that nostr is very tightly integrated with bitcoin, to the point that the lightning network extension basically is part of the standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) I mean, re-reading, I guess I should have asked how it's like Twitter. Lightning being duct-taped to the side, while being normatively loaded, is actually accurate since the lightning integration is just that. One protocol interacting with another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) it is like twitter in that it's designed to be like twitter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah yes, Twitter, the famous protocol for sending signed JSON blobs over a relay network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) no, as in, the developer built nostr because he wanted a twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn't be banned from. really, this is skim-reading territory. you could have saved us both a lot of time by just reading the history of the thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn’t be banned from. Wow, what a good faith breakdown! No, he wanted the ability to build microblogging platforms (among other stuff) on top of a decentralized relay network. But of course, you only skim-read, so can't blame you too much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) better than not reading at all, apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child) That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/ In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else. Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) So if someone says "the moon is made is of unicorns" and I say "what are you talking about? no it isn't..." is that JAQing off? I'd call it challenging someone making an absurd claim. There aren't any concepts or domain expertise I'm hiding here -- I'm merely saying "wtf are you talking about??" to someone spouting off random nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) false equivalency. they made a plausible claim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Which one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) the fact that nostr is very tightly integrated with bitcoin, to the point that the lightning network extension basically is part of the standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) I mean, re-reading, I guess I should have asked how it's like Twitter. Lightning being duct-taped to the side, while being normatively loaded, is actually accurate since the lightning integration is just that. One protocol interacting with another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) it is like twitter in that it's designed to be like twitter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah yes, Twitter, the famous protocol for sending signed JSON blobs over a relay network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) no, as in, the developer built nostr because he wanted a twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn't be banned from. really, this is skim-reading territory. you could have saved us both a lot of time by just reading the history of the thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn’t be banned from. Wow, what a good faith breakdown! No, he wanted the ability to build microblogging platforms (among other stuff) on top of a decentralized relay network. But of course, you only skim-read, so can't blame you too much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) better than not reading at all, apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child) That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/ In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else. Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) false equivalency. they made a plausible claim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Which one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) the fact that nostr is very tightly integrated with bitcoin, to the point that the lightning network extension basically is part of the standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) I mean, re-reading, I guess I should have asked how it's like Twitter. Lightning being duct-taped to the side, while being normatively loaded, is actually accurate since the lightning integration is just that. One protocol interacting with another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) it is like twitter in that it's designed to be like twitter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah yes, Twitter, the famous protocol for sending signed JSON blobs over a relay network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) no, as in, the developer built nostr because he wanted a twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn't be banned from. really, this is skim-reading territory. you could have saved us both a lot of time by just reading the history of the thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn’t be banned from. Wow, what a good faith breakdown! No, he wanted the ability to build microblogging platforms (among other stuff) on top of a decentralized relay network. But of course, you only skim-read, so can't blame you too much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) better than not reading at all, apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child) That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/ In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else. Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Which one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) the fact that nostr is very tightly integrated with bitcoin, to the point that the lightning network extension basically is part of the standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) I mean, re-reading, I guess I should have asked how it's like Twitter. Lightning being duct-taped to the side, while being normatively loaded, is actually accurate since the lightning integration is just that. One protocol interacting with another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) it is like twitter in that it's designed to be like twitter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah yes, Twitter, the famous protocol for sending signed JSON blobs over a relay network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) no, as in, the developer built nostr because he wanted a twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn't be banned from. really, this is skim-reading territory. you could have saved us both a lot of time by just reading the history of the thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn’t be banned from. Wow, what a good faith breakdown! No, he wanted the ability to build microblogging platforms (among other stuff) on top of a decentralized relay network. But of course, you only skim-read, so can't blame you too much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) better than not reading at all, apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child) That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/ In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else. Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) the fact that nostr is very tightly integrated with bitcoin, to the point that the lightning network extension basically is part of the standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) I mean, re-reading, I guess I should have asked how it's like Twitter. Lightning being duct-taped to the side, while being normatively loaded, is actually accurate since the lightning integration is just that. One protocol interacting with another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) it is like twitter in that it's designed to be like twitter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah yes, Twitter, the famous protocol for sending signed JSON blobs over a relay network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) no, as in, the developer built nostr because he wanted a twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn't be banned from. really, this is skim-reading territory. you could have saved us both a lot of time by just reading the history of the thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn’t be banned from. Wow, what a good faith breakdown! No, he wanted the ability to build microblogging platforms (among other stuff) on top of a decentralized relay network. But of course, you only skim-read, so can't blame you too much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) better than not reading at all, apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child) That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/ In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else. Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) I mean, re-reading, I guess I should have asked how it's like Twitter. Lightning being duct-taped to the side, while being normatively loaded, is actually accurate since the lightning integration is just that. One protocol interacting with another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) it is like twitter in that it's designed to be like twitter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah yes, Twitter, the famous protocol for sending signed JSON blobs over a relay network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) no, as in, the developer built nostr because he wanted a twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn't be banned from. really, this is skim-reading territory. you could have saved us both a lot of time by just reading the history of the thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn’t be banned from. Wow, what a good faith breakdown! No, he wanted the ability to build microblogging platforms (among other stuff) on top of a decentralized relay network. But of course, you only skim-read, so can't blame you too much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) better than not reading at all, apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child) That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/ In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else. Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) it is like twitter in that it's designed to be like twitter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah yes, Twitter, the famous protocol for sending signed JSON blobs over a relay network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) no, as in, the developer built nostr because he wanted a twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn't be banned from. really, this is skim-reading territory. you could have saved us both a lot of time by just reading the history of the thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn’t be banned from. Wow, what a good faith breakdown! No, he wanted the ability to build microblogging platforms (among other stuff) on top of a decentralized relay network. But of course, you only skim-read, so can't blame you too much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) better than not reading at all, apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child) That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/ In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else. Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah yes, Twitter, the famous protocol for sending signed JSON blobs over a relay network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) no, as in, the developer built nostr because he wanted a twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn't be banned from. really, this is skim-reading territory. you could have saved us both a lot of time by just reading the history of the thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn’t be banned from. Wow, what a good faith breakdown! No, he wanted the ability to build microblogging platforms (among other stuff) on top of a decentralized relay network. But of course, you only skim-read, so can't blame you too much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) better than not reading at all, apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child) That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/ In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else. Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) no, as in, the developer built nostr because he wanted a twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn't be banned from. really, this is skim-reading territory. you could have saved us both a lot of time by just reading the history of the thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn’t be banned from. Wow, what a good faith breakdown! No, he wanted the ability to build microblogging platforms (among other stuff) on top of a decentralized relay network. But of course, you only skim-read, so can't blame you too much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) better than not reading at all, apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child) That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/ In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else. Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) twitter-like microblogging platform he couldn’t be banned from. Wow, what a good faith breakdown! No, he wanted the ability to build microblogging platforms (among other stuff) on top of a decentralized relay network. But of course, you only skim-read, so can't blame you too much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) better than not reading at all, apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child) That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/ In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else. Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) better than not reading at all, apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago Apparently not for you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child) That's literally not what he said in the interviews. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/30/bitcoin-social-network-nostr-creator-fiatjaf-/ In his first interview with the press, @Fiatjaf says Twitter’s increasing propensity to ban users had frustrated him. But he was unable to switch to a competitor while retaining his followers. Inspired by Arc's idea for creating marketplaces where shop owners could move from one e-commerce platform to another, he started developing a new protocol to manage identities—at first for social networks, then for anything else. Commerce and censorship were the building blocks behind the Nostr from the start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Lol it says it right at the end of your quote. Nostr is a protocol, not a platform. Your whole quote backs up exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago Lmao even permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 5 points 9 months ago (1 child) Can you provide any counterevidence to the claims? To quote them: "Nostr was kickstarted mostly by a community of Bitcoiners, so it has disproportionately attracted the attention of Bitcoiners." The "optional" Bitcoin payment system is baked into the biggest Nostr clients. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago (1 child) The claim was: The protocol was built to exchange cryptocurrency over it. Not: The protocol attracted attention primarily from Bitcoiners who built tools around it to support payments The new, watered-down framing of your claim sorta just makes me think: "Okay? And?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago (2 children) I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. The fact they left the smoking gun on their own website is enough for me, but clearly you have an agenda of your own. Unless you expect everyone here to believe that the protocol, the clients, the funders, and the creators all just coincidentally love Bitcoin, you've got a lot of explaining to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child) I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. OK. The inventor of nostr's own wiki entry for nostr defines it as a thing for sending tweets, with zero mention of exchanging cryptocurrency. Also, as a nostr veteran, I have no idea how you'd exchange cryptocurrency on nostr except just asking random people to trade with you. I don't see why you wouldn't just use bisq or haveno if you want decentralized crypto trading permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) I don't know why you would refer to a man who believes Bitcoin is a gift from God as evidence his protocol isn't about Bitcoin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* It's probably not about Bitcoin (in the long run) but it's definitely not started as a crypto exchange like the original claim said More like started as a twitter full of people obsessed with bitcoin permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -5 points 9 months ago* (1 child) I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. Then you don't know how burden of proof works. Instead of demanding that you back up your claim, I accepted that you wanted to water it down and refine it into something you could better defend. Which is a very milque-toast, who-cares claim. Do you want me to have forced you to back up your original claim and devolve into semantics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) I provided proof. With links. Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence? Do you genuinely believe that? Or do you just think that everybody here is gullible? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) I provided proof. With links. I don't get how you can blatantly lie like this and have vote scores that make it look otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Would you like to claim that Bitcoin crap doesn't infest Nostr? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Of course I wouldn't permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago To be fair, I have some dedicated fans following me around to downvote me and post snark. permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) I provided proof. With links. Sigh, I guess you do want to play games. Okay -- no you didn't. Neither of those links demonstrate that the purpose behind creating Nostr was to exchange cryptocurrency. Would you like to try again? Or accept that you didn't mean it like that? Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence? Did you reply to the wrong person or something...? I never made any claims like that... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don't. Why don't you tell us what you think, instead of JAQing off about it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don’t. Of course it's not a coincidence. Now would you like to back up your original claim, or admit that it wasn't what you meant? I didn't want to play these stupid games, but clearly you have an agenda here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Of course it's not a coincidence. Great. Bye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Better luck next time! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago (1 child) The claim was: The protocol was built to exchange cryptocurrency over it. Not: The protocol attracted attention primarily from Bitcoiners who built tools around it to support payments The new, watered-down framing of your claim sorta just makes me think: "Okay? And?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago (2 children) I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. The fact they left the smoking gun on their own website is enough for me, but clearly you have an agenda of your own. Unless you expect everyone here to believe that the protocol, the clients, the funders, and the creators all just coincidentally love Bitcoin, you've got a lot of explaining to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child) I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. OK. The inventor of nostr's own wiki entry for nostr defines it as a thing for sending tweets, with zero mention of exchanging cryptocurrency. Also, as a nostr veteran, I have no idea how you'd exchange cryptocurrency on nostr except just asking random people to trade with you. I don't see why you wouldn't just use bisq or haveno if you want decentralized crypto trading permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) I don't know why you would refer to a man who believes Bitcoin is a gift from God as evidence his protocol isn't about Bitcoin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* It's probably not about Bitcoin (in the long run) but it's definitely not started as a crypto exchange like the original claim said More like started as a twitter full of people obsessed with bitcoin permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -5 points 9 months ago* (1 child) I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. Then you don't know how burden of proof works. Instead of demanding that you back up your claim, I accepted that you wanted to water it down and refine it into something you could better defend. Which is a very milque-toast, who-cares claim. Do you want me to have forced you to back up your original claim and devolve into semantics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) I provided proof. With links. Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence? Do you genuinely believe that? Or do you just think that everybody here is gullible? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) I provided proof. With links. I don't get how you can blatantly lie like this and have vote scores that make it look otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Would you like to claim that Bitcoin crap doesn't infest Nostr? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Of course I wouldn't permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago To be fair, I have some dedicated fans following me around to downvote me and post snark. permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) I provided proof. With links. Sigh, I guess you do want to play games. Okay -- no you didn't. Neither of those links demonstrate that the purpose behind creating Nostr was to exchange cryptocurrency. Would you like to try again? Or accept that you didn't mean it like that? Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence? Did you reply to the wrong person or something...? I never made any claims like that... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don't. Why don't you tell us what you think, instead of JAQing off about it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don’t. Of course it's not a coincidence. Now would you like to back up your original claim, or admit that it wasn't what you meant? I didn't want to play these stupid games, but clearly you have an agenda here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Of course it's not a coincidence. Great. Bye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Better luck next time! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago (2 children) I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. The fact they left the smoking gun on their own website is enough for me, but clearly you have an agenda of your own. Unless you expect everyone here to believe that the protocol, the clients, the funders, and the creators all just coincidentally love Bitcoin, you've got a lot of explaining to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child) I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. OK. The inventor of nostr's own wiki entry for nostr defines it as a thing for sending tweets, with zero mention of exchanging cryptocurrency. Also, as a nostr veteran, I have no idea how you'd exchange cryptocurrency on nostr except just asking random people to trade with you. I don't see why you wouldn't just use bisq or haveno if you want decentralized crypto trading permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) I don't know why you would refer to a man who believes Bitcoin is a gift from God as evidence his protocol isn't about Bitcoin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* It's probably not about Bitcoin (in the long run) but it's definitely not started as a crypto exchange like the original claim said More like started as a twitter full of people obsessed with bitcoin permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -5 points 9 months ago* (1 child) I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. Then you don't know how burden of proof works. Instead of demanding that you back up your claim, I accepted that you wanted to water it down and refine it into something you could better defend. Which is a very milque-toast, who-cares claim. Do you want me to have forced you to back up your original claim and devolve into semantics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) I provided proof. With links. Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence? Do you genuinely believe that? Or do you just think that everybody here is gullible? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) I provided proof. With links. I don't get how you can blatantly lie like this and have vote scores that make it look otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Would you like to claim that Bitcoin crap doesn't infest Nostr? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Of course I wouldn't permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago To be fair, I have some dedicated fans following me around to downvote me and post snark. permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) I provided proof. With links. Sigh, I guess you do want to play games. Okay -- no you didn't. Neither of those links demonstrate that the purpose behind creating Nostr was to exchange cryptocurrency. Would you like to try again? Or accept that you didn't mean it like that? Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence? Did you reply to the wrong person or something...? I never made any claims like that... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don't. Why don't you tell us what you think, instead of JAQing off about it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don’t. Of course it's not a coincidence. Now would you like to back up your original claim, or admit that it wasn't what you meant? I didn't want to play these stupid games, but clearly you have an agenda here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Of course it's not a coincidence. Great. Bye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Better luck next time! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child) I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. OK. The inventor of nostr's own wiki entry for nostr defines it as a thing for sending tweets, with zero mention of exchanging cryptocurrency. Also, as a nostr veteran, I have no idea how you'd exchange cryptocurrency on nostr except just asking random people to trade with you. I don't see why you wouldn't just use bisq or haveno if you want decentralized crypto trading permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) I don't know why you would refer to a man who believes Bitcoin is a gift from God as evidence his protocol isn't about Bitcoin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* It's probably not about Bitcoin (in the long run) but it's definitely not started as a crypto exchange like the original claim said More like started as a twitter full of people obsessed with bitcoin permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) I don't know why you would refer to a man who believes Bitcoin is a gift from God as evidence his protocol isn't about Bitcoin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* It's probably not about Bitcoin (in the long run) but it's definitely not started as a crypto exchange like the original claim said More like started as a twitter full of people obsessed with bitcoin permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago* It's probably not about Bitcoin (in the long run) but it's definitely not started as a crypto exchange like the original claim said More like started as a twitter full of people obsessed with bitcoin permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -5 points 9 months ago* (1 child) I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. Then you don't know how burden of proof works. Instead of demanding that you back up your claim, I accepted that you wanted to water it down and refine it into something you could better defend. Which is a very milque-toast, who-cares claim. Do you want me to have forced you to back up your original claim and devolve into semantics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) I provided proof. With links. Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence? Do you genuinely believe that? Or do you just think that everybody here is gullible? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) I provided proof. With links. I don't get how you can blatantly lie like this and have vote scores that make it look otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Would you like to claim that Bitcoin crap doesn't infest Nostr? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Of course I wouldn't permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago To be fair, I have some dedicated fans following me around to downvote me and post snark. permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) I provided proof. With links. Sigh, I guess you do want to play games. Okay -- no you didn't. Neither of those links demonstrate that the purpose behind creating Nostr was to exchange cryptocurrency. Would you like to try again? Or accept that you didn't mean it like that? Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence? Did you reply to the wrong person or something...? I never made any claims like that... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don't. Why don't you tell us what you think, instead of JAQing off about it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don’t. Of course it's not a coincidence. Now would you like to back up your original claim, or admit that it wasn't what you meant? I didn't want to play these stupid games, but clearly you have an agenda here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Of course it's not a coincidence. Great. Bye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Better luck next time! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) I provided proof. With links. Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence? Do you genuinely believe that? Or do you just think that everybody here is gullible? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) I provided proof. With links. I don't get how you can blatantly lie like this and have vote scores that make it look otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Would you like to claim that Bitcoin crap doesn't infest Nostr? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Of course I wouldn't permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago To be fair, I have some dedicated fans following me around to downvote me and post snark. permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) I provided proof. With links. Sigh, I guess you do want to play games. Okay -- no you didn't. Neither of those links demonstrate that the purpose behind creating Nostr was to exchange cryptocurrency. Would you like to try again? Or accept that you didn't mean it like that? Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence? Did you reply to the wrong person or something...? I never made any claims like that... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don't. Why don't you tell us what you think, instead of JAQing off about it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don’t. Of course it's not a coincidence. Now would you like to back up your original claim, or admit that it wasn't what you meant? I didn't want to play these stupid games, but clearly you have an agenda here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Of course it's not a coincidence. Great. Bye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Better luck next time! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) I provided proof. With links. I don't get how you can blatantly lie like this and have vote scores that make it look otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Would you like to claim that Bitcoin crap doesn't infest Nostr? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Of course I wouldn't permalink fedilink source parent [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago To be fair, I have some dedicated fans following me around to downvote me and post snark. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Would you like to claim that Bitcoin crap doesn't infest Nostr? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Of course I wouldn't permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Of course I wouldn't permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 9 months ago To be fair, I have some dedicated fans following me around to downvote me and post snark. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -2 points 9 months ago (1 child) I provided proof. With links. Sigh, I guess you do want to play games. Okay -- no you didn't. Neither of those links demonstrate that the purpose behind creating Nostr was to exchange cryptocurrency. Would you like to try again? Or accept that you didn't mean it like that? Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence? Did you reply to the wrong person or something...? I never made any claims like that... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don't. Why don't you tell us what you think, instead of JAQing off about it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don’t. Of course it's not a coincidence. Now would you like to back up your original claim, or admit that it wasn't what you meant? I didn't want to play these stupid games, but clearly you have an agenda here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Of course it's not a coincidence. Great. Bye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Better luck next time! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don't. Why don't you tell us what you think, instead of JAQing off about it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don’t. Of course it's not a coincidence. Now would you like to back up your original claim, or admit that it wasn't what you meant? I didn't want to play these stupid games, but clearly you have an agenda here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Of course it's not a coincidence. Great. Bye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Better luck next time! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Either you believe that the Bitcoin infestation is all just a total coincidence, or you don’t. Of course it's not a coincidence. Now would you like to back up your original claim, or admit that it wasn't what you meant? I didn't want to play these stupid games, but clearly you have an agenda here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Of course it's not a coincidence. Great. Bye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Better luck next time! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Of course it's not a coincidence. Great. Bye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Better luck next time! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) Better luck next time! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -3 points 9 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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