โฒ 314 โผ The Fairphone 6 no longer feels like a compromise (except in the US) (www.theverge.com) submitted 11 months ago by Sunshine@piefed.ca [M] to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk 145 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[โ] lnxtx@feddit.nl 8 points 11 months ago (1 child) Still no 3.5 mm jack. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 18 points 11 months ago (6 children) Is this a real complain or I'm too obtuse to understand this as a running joke? I mean there have been usb c to 3.5 for quite a while now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 13 points 11 months ago* (2 children) I really do want it because I hate being forced to buy superfluous shit that didn't need to exist to get the same functionality I had previously. I'm also not getting a new car every friggin' year so I still drive something without bluetooth (I also can't just get a new radio for it) and would rather listen to my own playlists than ads on the radio. The acceptable compromise would be packaging a 3.5mm to USBC jack with the goddamn phone. If the real reason it's not there was because of space in the device, this practice would be standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago (2 children) I really do want it because I hate being forced to buy superfluous shit that didn't need to exist to get the same functionality I had previously This is the same enegry as complaining about a new car not being able to play your old tapes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 11 months ago* (1 child) When CDs started taking place of cassettes, most vehicles had BOTH tapedecks and CD players. They didn't immediately ditch the old shit. They actually compromised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) And how long have phones and cars had bluetooth and aux? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) IDK; I havent had a car with bluetooth yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) So get a 20 year old phone to match your car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) Since this is obviously impractical, do you suggest buying a new car to fit the phone, then? You came to the point of absurdity. If the car runs, and phones easily supported it through a technology that stays highly relevant and widely used, then why is it changed? It's not that 3,5mm jack is outdated by any means. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Obviously missing the point. Technology changes. 20 years ago, cars replaced tape decks with cds. 40 years ago they were replacing 8 tracks for cassettes. New cars dont even include any media other than bluetooth and fm radio. 3.5mm may still be 'useful' but the fwct of the matter, the majority of users wont even notice its absence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Is it really such a great majority, though? And how damn hard is it to put 3,5mm in a car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) About the same effort as putting physical buttons.... yet they are all putting a single touchscreen slab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago Which is just as terrible permalink fedilink source parent [โ] UnityDevice@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Sadly, they made it outdated. And it was surprisingly easy to convince people of that fact. They said to people "we're taking away functionality from you, but it's a good thing, as now we can sell you the new stuff and you won't have a choice - make sure to argue with people that don't agree," and most people obeyed for whatever reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 11 months ago* Exactly. But screw them and screw that - even if Fairphone does it. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago They make Bluetooth adapters for aux jacks and tape decks. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago (1 child) That's a bad comparison tbh. Bluetooth audio isn't a superior technology over wired audio (in many ways it's inferior). The two have always been included together with no issue until one company decided to drop one of them in order to more easily sell more expensive and less durable stuff. Other companies followed like sheep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) With aptx codec, its nearly the same as cd quality without the hassle of cds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. It's plenty for Spotify of course. I'm not against BT headphones, but you don't need to remove the headphone jack for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. Those are compressed bitrates of the full 1.4mbps of a cd. Aptx hd is near lossless. You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference. Which case, are you going to be listening from your phone with its shitty DAC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child) You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference Sure, I didn't say otherwise. It's enough for most people. A compressed bitrate is just not lossless. But again, for use with Spotify, which most do and isn't more than 320kbps, it's plenty. But that doesn't negate that it's still not better than wired. your phone with its shitty DAC? Totally depends on your phone, just like your BT headphones/earbuds. Not all phones have shitty DACs. You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. Quality wise, tape can be pretty close to CD. But most tape decks were shit. CDs were largely adopted because of convenience, not their audio quality. The majority of people only care about convenience. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. With added cost for a feature few use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago* Expensive tapes can come close to CDs, but generally tapes are noisier (outside of just the tapedeck), have a worse dynamic range and frequency response and they degrade over time. And indeed it's not all about sound quality. CDs are more convenient in quite a few ways while not really sacrificing quality and affordability and that does help a lot. The only convenience BT adds is not having wires, which is valid, but that's about it. In case of headphones and earbuds, BT also has inconveniences like batteries, BT pairing bs, more latency, worse mics and generally being way more expensive than a decent pair of wired earbuds. With added cost for a feature few use. Barely any cost, if any noticable cost at all. Phones are more expensive than ever. A headphone jack is not going to make much difference compared to the price increase of decent BT headphones/earbuds. And the reason few use it anymore is because everyone was forced to move to BT (or a dongle, which also sucks) due to phones almost collectively dropping the jack. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] zpiritual@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago Hardly. The quality is worse than the mp3s I downloaded from the pirate bay back in the day. Aptx hd is better but fairly uncommon. Sbc in high bitrate wounds fairly good but I've only come across it on linux with pipewire. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 11 months ago Packaging the USB-C-to-3.5 doesn't solve the problem for me. I could plug in a headphone or line out AND a charger at the same time. And yes I frequently used that. There's are adapters that do both, but they are fiddly. Also I will need to have that stupid adapter with me. I have many many headphones. There's a headphone in every jacket I own (you never know when your need one). Every backpack. I then forget to bring the fucking adapter, and what use is all the depositing of headphones so I'll always have one? I'm not adding adapters to my headphone stashes, that's for sure. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 11 points 11 months ago* This is a real complaint, and for me personally, it's a complete dealbreaker. There have been converters, but I don't want to choose whether I want to charge my phone or listen to music (ยฟpor quรฉ no los dos?, i.e. "why not both?"). I also don't want to add up lines of dongles for something as primitive and actively used as a headphone jack. 3,5mm jack doesn't take much space and is used by many people, so why remove it? For regular companies, the answer is clear: to sell you wireless devices often produced by the same companies, costing more. But for Fairphone, a "fair" company that always shipped their phones with it, this seems like a betrayal. Failing to mention this giant point of concern is not great for a review article, either. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago Real complaint. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 months ago yeah so? If you need to regularly use one of those then that is a good argument for having it in the device itself permalink fedilink source parent [โ] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago Itโs a real complaint to an extent; The real issue is that the jack itself isnโt enough, to be worth anything it needs a good DAC behind it and there have only been a handful of phones ever that have had that. So the jack complaint itself is mostly a meme as yeah, the USBC splitter option would sound just as good as most jacks built in. On devices that really care they use the 6mm jack anyway. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] RheumatoidArthritis@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago I bought 4 of these before I've found one that does not add background noise that hurts ears. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 18 points 11 months ago (6 children) Is this a real complain or I'm too obtuse to understand this as a running joke? I mean there have been usb c to 3.5 for quite a while now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 13 points 11 months ago* (2 children) I really do want it because I hate being forced to buy superfluous shit that didn't need to exist to get the same functionality I had previously. I'm also not getting a new car every friggin' year so I still drive something without bluetooth (I also can't just get a new radio for it) and would rather listen to my own playlists than ads on the radio. The acceptable compromise would be packaging a 3.5mm to USBC jack with the goddamn phone. If the real reason it's not there was because of space in the device, this practice would be standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago (2 children) I really do want it because I hate being forced to buy superfluous shit that didn't need to exist to get the same functionality I had previously This is the same enegry as complaining about a new car not being able to play your old tapes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 11 months ago* (1 child) When CDs started taking place of cassettes, most vehicles had BOTH tapedecks and CD players. They didn't immediately ditch the old shit. They actually compromised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) And how long have phones and cars had bluetooth and aux? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) IDK; I havent had a car with bluetooth yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) So get a 20 year old phone to match your car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) Since this is obviously impractical, do you suggest buying a new car to fit the phone, then? You came to the point of absurdity. If the car runs, and phones easily supported it through a technology that stays highly relevant and widely used, then why is it changed? It's not that 3,5mm jack is outdated by any means. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Obviously missing the point. Technology changes. 20 years ago, cars replaced tape decks with cds. 40 years ago they were replacing 8 tracks for cassettes. New cars dont even include any media other than bluetooth and fm radio. 3.5mm may still be 'useful' but the fwct of the matter, the majority of users wont even notice its absence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Is it really such a great majority, though? And how damn hard is it to put 3,5mm in a car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) About the same effort as putting physical buttons.... yet they are all putting a single touchscreen slab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago Which is just as terrible permalink fedilink source parent [โ] UnityDevice@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Sadly, they made it outdated. And it was surprisingly easy to convince people of that fact. They said to people "we're taking away functionality from you, but it's a good thing, as now we can sell you the new stuff and you won't have a choice - make sure to argue with people that don't agree," and most people obeyed for whatever reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 11 months ago* Exactly. But screw them and screw that - even if Fairphone does it. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago They make Bluetooth adapters for aux jacks and tape decks. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago (1 child) That's a bad comparison tbh. Bluetooth audio isn't a superior technology over wired audio (in many ways it's inferior). The two have always been included together with no issue until one company decided to drop one of them in order to more easily sell more expensive and less durable stuff. Other companies followed like sheep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) With aptx codec, its nearly the same as cd quality without the hassle of cds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. It's plenty for Spotify of course. I'm not against BT headphones, but you don't need to remove the headphone jack for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. Those are compressed bitrates of the full 1.4mbps of a cd. Aptx hd is near lossless. You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference. Which case, are you going to be listening from your phone with its shitty DAC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child) You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference Sure, I didn't say otherwise. It's enough for most people. A compressed bitrate is just not lossless. But again, for use with Spotify, which most do and isn't more than 320kbps, it's plenty. But that doesn't negate that it's still not better than wired. your phone with its shitty DAC? Totally depends on your phone, just like your BT headphones/earbuds. Not all phones have shitty DACs. You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. Quality wise, tape can be pretty close to CD. But most tape decks were shit. CDs were largely adopted because of convenience, not their audio quality. The majority of people only care about convenience. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. With added cost for a feature few use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago* Expensive tapes can come close to CDs, but generally tapes are noisier (outside of just the tapedeck), have a worse dynamic range and frequency response and they degrade over time. And indeed it's not all about sound quality. CDs are more convenient in quite a few ways while not really sacrificing quality and affordability and that does help a lot. The only convenience BT adds is not having wires, which is valid, but that's about it. In case of headphones and earbuds, BT also has inconveniences like batteries, BT pairing bs, more latency, worse mics and generally being way more expensive than a decent pair of wired earbuds. With added cost for a feature few use. Barely any cost, if any noticable cost at all. Phones are more expensive than ever. A headphone jack is not going to make much difference compared to the price increase of decent BT headphones/earbuds. And the reason few use it anymore is because everyone was forced to move to BT (or a dongle, which also sucks) due to phones almost collectively dropping the jack. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] zpiritual@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago Hardly. The quality is worse than the mp3s I downloaded from the pirate bay back in the day. Aptx hd is better but fairly uncommon. Sbc in high bitrate wounds fairly good but I've only come across it on linux with pipewire. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 11 months ago Packaging the USB-C-to-3.5 doesn't solve the problem for me. I could plug in a headphone or line out AND a charger at the same time. And yes I frequently used that. There's are adapters that do both, but they are fiddly. Also I will need to have that stupid adapter with me. I have many many headphones. There's a headphone in every jacket I own (you never know when your need one). Every backpack. I then forget to bring the fucking adapter, and what use is all the depositing of headphones so I'll always have one? I'm not adding adapters to my headphone stashes, that's for sure. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 11 points 11 months ago* This is a real complaint, and for me personally, it's a complete dealbreaker. There have been converters, but I don't want to choose whether I want to charge my phone or listen to music (ยฟpor quรฉ no los dos?, i.e. "why not both?"). I also don't want to add up lines of dongles for something as primitive and actively used as a headphone jack. 3,5mm jack doesn't take much space and is used by many people, so why remove it? For regular companies, the answer is clear: to sell you wireless devices often produced by the same companies, costing more. But for Fairphone, a "fair" company that always shipped their phones with it, this seems like a betrayal. Failing to mention this giant point of concern is not great for a review article, either. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago Real complaint. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 months ago yeah so? If you need to regularly use one of those then that is a good argument for having it in the device itself permalink fedilink source parent [โ] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago Itโs a real complaint to an extent; The real issue is that the jack itself isnโt enough, to be worth anything it needs a good DAC behind it and there have only been a handful of phones ever that have had that. So the jack complaint itself is mostly a meme as yeah, the USBC splitter option would sound just as good as most jacks built in. On devices that really care they use the 6mm jack anyway. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] RheumatoidArthritis@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago I bought 4 of these before I've found one that does not add background noise that hurts ears. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 13 points 11 months ago* (2 children) I really do want it because I hate being forced to buy superfluous shit that didn't need to exist to get the same functionality I had previously. I'm also not getting a new car every friggin' year so I still drive something without bluetooth (I also can't just get a new radio for it) and would rather listen to my own playlists than ads on the radio. The acceptable compromise would be packaging a 3.5mm to USBC jack with the goddamn phone. If the real reason it's not there was because of space in the device, this practice would be standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago (2 children) I really do want it because I hate being forced to buy superfluous shit that didn't need to exist to get the same functionality I had previously This is the same enegry as complaining about a new car not being able to play your old tapes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 11 months ago* (1 child) When CDs started taking place of cassettes, most vehicles had BOTH tapedecks and CD players. They didn't immediately ditch the old shit. They actually compromised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) And how long have phones and cars had bluetooth and aux? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) IDK; I havent had a car with bluetooth yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) So get a 20 year old phone to match your car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) Since this is obviously impractical, do you suggest buying a new car to fit the phone, then? You came to the point of absurdity. If the car runs, and phones easily supported it through a technology that stays highly relevant and widely used, then why is it changed? It's not that 3,5mm jack is outdated by any means. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Obviously missing the point. Technology changes. 20 years ago, cars replaced tape decks with cds. 40 years ago they were replacing 8 tracks for cassettes. New cars dont even include any media other than bluetooth and fm radio. 3.5mm may still be 'useful' but the fwct of the matter, the majority of users wont even notice its absence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Is it really such a great majority, though? And how damn hard is it to put 3,5mm in a car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) About the same effort as putting physical buttons.... yet they are all putting a single touchscreen slab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago Which is just as terrible permalink fedilink source parent [โ] UnityDevice@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Sadly, they made it outdated. And it was surprisingly easy to convince people of that fact. They said to people "we're taking away functionality from you, but it's a good thing, as now we can sell you the new stuff and you won't have a choice - make sure to argue with people that don't agree," and most people obeyed for whatever reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 11 months ago* Exactly. But screw them and screw that - even if Fairphone does it. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago They make Bluetooth adapters for aux jacks and tape decks. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago (1 child) That's a bad comparison tbh. Bluetooth audio isn't a superior technology over wired audio (in many ways it's inferior). The two have always been included together with no issue until one company decided to drop one of them in order to more easily sell more expensive and less durable stuff. Other companies followed like sheep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) With aptx codec, its nearly the same as cd quality without the hassle of cds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. It's plenty for Spotify of course. I'm not against BT headphones, but you don't need to remove the headphone jack for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. Those are compressed bitrates of the full 1.4mbps of a cd. Aptx hd is near lossless. You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference. Which case, are you going to be listening from your phone with its shitty DAC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child) You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference Sure, I didn't say otherwise. It's enough for most people. A compressed bitrate is just not lossless. But again, for use with Spotify, which most do and isn't more than 320kbps, it's plenty. But that doesn't negate that it's still not better than wired. your phone with its shitty DAC? Totally depends on your phone, just like your BT headphones/earbuds. Not all phones have shitty DACs. You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. Quality wise, tape can be pretty close to CD. But most tape decks were shit. CDs were largely adopted because of convenience, not their audio quality. The majority of people only care about convenience. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. With added cost for a feature few use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago* Expensive tapes can come close to CDs, but generally tapes are noisier (outside of just the tapedeck), have a worse dynamic range and frequency response and they degrade over time. And indeed it's not all about sound quality. CDs are more convenient in quite a few ways while not really sacrificing quality and affordability and that does help a lot. The only convenience BT adds is not having wires, which is valid, but that's about it. In case of headphones and earbuds, BT also has inconveniences like batteries, BT pairing bs, more latency, worse mics and generally being way more expensive than a decent pair of wired earbuds. With added cost for a feature few use. Barely any cost, if any noticable cost at all. Phones are more expensive than ever. A headphone jack is not going to make much difference compared to the price increase of decent BT headphones/earbuds. And the reason few use it anymore is because everyone was forced to move to BT (or a dongle, which also sucks) due to phones almost collectively dropping the jack. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] zpiritual@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago Hardly. The quality is worse than the mp3s I downloaded from the pirate bay back in the day. Aptx hd is better but fairly uncommon. Sbc in high bitrate wounds fairly good but I've only come across it on linux with pipewire. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 11 months ago Packaging the USB-C-to-3.5 doesn't solve the problem for me. I could plug in a headphone or line out AND a charger at the same time. And yes I frequently used that. There's are adapters that do both, but they are fiddly. Also I will need to have that stupid adapter with me. I have many many headphones. There's a headphone in every jacket I own (you never know when your need one). Every backpack. I then forget to bring the fucking adapter, and what use is all the depositing of headphones so I'll always have one? I'm not adding adapters to my headphone stashes, that's for sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago (2 children) I really do want it because I hate being forced to buy superfluous shit that didn't need to exist to get the same functionality I had previously This is the same enegry as complaining about a new car not being able to play your old tapes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 11 months ago* (1 child) When CDs started taking place of cassettes, most vehicles had BOTH tapedecks and CD players. They didn't immediately ditch the old shit. They actually compromised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) And how long have phones and cars had bluetooth and aux? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) IDK; I havent had a car with bluetooth yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) So get a 20 year old phone to match your car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) Since this is obviously impractical, do you suggest buying a new car to fit the phone, then? You came to the point of absurdity. If the car runs, and phones easily supported it through a technology that stays highly relevant and widely used, then why is it changed? It's not that 3,5mm jack is outdated by any means. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Obviously missing the point. Technology changes. 20 years ago, cars replaced tape decks with cds. 40 years ago they were replacing 8 tracks for cassettes. New cars dont even include any media other than bluetooth and fm radio. 3.5mm may still be 'useful' but the fwct of the matter, the majority of users wont even notice its absence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Is it really such a great majority, though? And how damn hard is it to put 3,5mm in a car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) About the same effort as putting physical buttons.... yet they are all putting a single touchscreen slab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago Which is just as terrible permalink fedilink source parent [โ] UnityDevice@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Sadly, they made it outdated. And it was surprisingly easy to convince people of that fact. They said to people "we're taking away functionality from you, but it's a good thing, as now we can sell you the new stuff and you won't have a choice - make sure to argue with people that don't agree," and most people obeyed for whatever reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 11 months ago* Exactly. But screw them and screw that - even if Fairphone does it. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago They make Bluetooth adapters for aux jacks and tape decks. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago (1 child) That's a bad comparison tbh. Bluetooth audio isn't a superior technology over wired audio (in many ways it's inferior). The two have always been included together with no issue until one company decided to drop one of them in order to more easily sell more expensive and less durable stuff. Other companies followed like sheep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) With aptx codec, its nearly the same as cd quality without the hassle of cds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. It's plenty for Spotify of course. I'm not against BT headphones, but you don't need to remove the headphone jack for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. Those are compressed bitrates of the full 1.4mbps of a cd. Aptx hd is near lossless. You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference. Which case, are you going to be listening from your phone with its shitty DAC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child) You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference Sure, I didn't say otherwise. It's enough for most people. A compressed bitrate is just not lossless. But again, for use with Spotify, which most do and isn't more than 320kbps, it's plenty. But that doesn't negate that it's still not better than wired. your phone with its shitty DAC? Totally depends on your phone, just like your BT headphones/earbuds. Not all phones have shitty DACs. You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. Quality wise, tape can be pretty close to CD. But most tape decks were shit. CDs were largely adopted because of convenience, not their audio quality. The majority of people only care about convenience. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. With added cost for a feature few use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago* Expensive tapes can come close to CDs, but generally tapes are noisier (outside of just the tapedeck), have a worse dynamic range and frequency response and they degrade over time. And indeed it's not all about sound quality. CDs are more convenient in quite a few ways while not really sacrificing quality and affordability and that does help a lot. The only convenience BT adds is not having wires, which is valid, but that's about it. In case of headphones and earbuds, BT also has inconveniences like batteries, BT pairing bs, more latency, worse mics and generally being way more expensive than a decent pair of wired earbuds. With added cost for a feature few use. Barely any cost, if any noticable cost at all. Phones are more expensive than ever. A headphone jack is not going to make much difference compared to the price increase of decent BT headphones/earbuds. And the reason few use it anymore is because everyone was forced to move to BT (or a dongle, which also sucks) due to phones almost collectively dropping the jack. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] zpiritual@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago Hardly. The quality is worse than the mp3s I downloaded from the pirate bay back in the day. Aptx hd is better but fairly uncommon. Sbc in high bitrate wounds fairly good but I've only come across it on linux with pipewire. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 11 months ago* (1 child) When CDs started taking place of cassettes, most vehicles had BOTH tapedecks and CD players. They didn't immediately ditch the old shit. They actually compromised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) And how long have phones and cars had bluetooth and aux? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) IDK; I havent had a car with bluetooth yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) So get a 20 year old phone to match your car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) Since this is obviously impractical, do you suggest buying a new car to fit the phone, then? You came to the point of absurdity. If the car runs, and phones easily supported it through a technology that stays highly relevant and widely used, then why is it changed? It's not that 3,5mm jack is outdated by any means. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Obviously missing the point. Technology changes. 20 years ago, cars replaced tape decks with cds. 40 years ago they were replacing 8 tracks for cassettes. New cars dont even include any media other than bluetooth and fm radio. 3.5mm may still be 'useful' but the fwct of the matter, the majority of users wont even notice its absence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Is it really such a great majority, though? And how damn hard is it to put 3,5mm in a car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) About the same effort as putting physical buttons.... yet they are all putting a single touchscreen slab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago Which is just as terrible permalink fedilink source parent [โ] UnityDevice@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Sadly, they made it outdated. And it was surprisingly easy to convince people of that fact. They said to people "we're taking away functionality from you, but it's a good thing, as now we can sell you the new stuff and you won't have a choice - make sure to argue with people that don't agree," and most people obeyed for whatever reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 11 months ago* Exactly. But screw them and screw that - even if Fairphone does it. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago They make Bluetooth adapters for aux jacks and tape decks. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) And how long have phones and cars had bluetooth and aux? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) IDK; I havent had a car with bluetooth yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) So get a 20 year old phone to match your car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) Since this is obviously impractical, do you suggest buying a new car to fit the phone, then? You came to the point of absurdity. If the car runs, and phones easily supported it through a technology that stays highly relevant and widely used, then why is it changed? It's not that 3,5mm jack is outdated by any means. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Obviously missing the point. Technology changes. 20 years ago, cars replaced tape decks with cds. 40 years ago they were replacing 8 tracks for cassettes. New cars dont even include any media other than bluetooth and fm radio. 3.5mm may still be 'useful' but the fwct of the matter, the majority of users wont even notice its absence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Is it really such a great majority, though? And how damn hard is it to put 3,5mm in a car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) About the same effort as putting physical buttons.... yet they are all putting a single touchscreen slab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago Which is just as terrible permalink fedilink source parent [โ] UnityDevice@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Sadly, they made it outdated. And it was surprisingly easy to convince people of that fact. They said to people "we're taking away functionality from you, but it's a good thing, as now we can sell you the new stuff and you won't have a choice - make sure to argue with people that don't agree," and most people obeyed for whatever reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 11 months ago* Exactly. But screw them and screw that - even if Fairphone does it. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago They make Bluetooth adapters for aux jacks and tape decks. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) IDK; I havent had a car with bluetooth yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) So get a 20 year old phone to match your car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) Since this is obviously impractical, do you suggest buying a new car to fit the phone, then? You came to the point of absurdity. If the car runs, and phones easily supported it through a technology that stays highly relevant and widely used, then why is it changed? It's not that 3,5mm jack is outdated by any means. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Obviously missing the point. Technology changes. 20 years ago, cars replaced tape decks with cds. 40 years ago they were replacing 8 tracks for cassettes. New cars dont even include any media other than bluetooth and fm radio. 3.5mm may still be 'useful' but the fwct of the matter, the majority of users wont even notice its absence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Is it really such a great majority, though? And how damn hard is it to put 3,5mm in a car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) About the same effort as putting physical buttons.... yet they are all putting a single touchscreen slab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago Which is just as terrible permalink fedilink source parent [โ] UnityDevice@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Sadly, they made it outdated. And it was surprisingly easy to convince people of that fact. They said to people "we're taking away functionality from you, but it's a good thing, as now we can sell you the new stuff and you won't have a choice - make sure to argue with people that don't agree," and most people obeyed for whatever reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 11 months ago* Exactly. But screw them and screw that - even if Fairphone does it. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago They make Bluetooth adapters for aux jacks and tape decks. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) So get a 20 year old phone to match your car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) Since this is obviously impractical, do you suggest buying a new car to fit the phone, then? You came to the point of absurdity. If the car runs, and phones easily supported it through a technology that stays highly relevant and widely used, then why is it changed? It's not that 3,5mm jack is outdated by any means. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Obviously missing the point. Technology changes. 20 years ago, cars replaced tape decks with cds. 40 years ago they were replacing 8 tracks for cassettes. New cars dont even include any media other than bluetooth and fm radio. 3.5mm may still be 'useful' but the fwct of the matter, the majority of users wont even notice its absence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Is it really such a great majority, though? And how damn hard is it to put 3,5mm in a car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) About the same effort as putting physical buttons.... yet they are all putting a single touchscreen slab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago Which is just as terrible permalink fedilink source parent [โ] UnityDevice@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Sadly, they made it outdated. And it was surprisingly easy to convince people of that fact. They said to people "we're taking away functionality from you, but it's a good thing, as now we can sell you the new stuff and you won't have a choice - make sure to argue with people that don't agree," and most people obeyed for whatever reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 11 months ago* Exactly. But screw them and screw that - even if Fairphone does it. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) Since this is obviously impractical, do you suggest buying a new car to fit the phone, then? You came to the point of absurdity. If the car runs, and phones easily supported it through a technology that stays highly relevant and widely used, then why is it changed? It's not that 3,5mm jack is outdated by any means. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Obviously missing the point. Technology changes. 20 years ago, cars replaced tape decks with cds. 40 years ago they were replacing 8 tracks for cassettes. New cars dont even include any media other than bluetooth and fm radio. 3.5mm may still be 'useful' but the fwct of the matter, the majority of users wont even notice its absence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Is it really such a great majority, though? And how damn hard is it to put 3,5mm in a car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) About the same effort as putting physical buttons.... yet they are all putting a single touchscreen slab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago Which is just as terrible permalink fedilink source parent [โ] UnityDevice@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Sadly, they made it outdated. And it was surprisingly easy to convince people of that fact. They said to people "we're taking away functionality from you, but it's a good thing, as now we can sell you the new stuff and you won't have a choice - make sure to argue with people that don't agree," and most people obeyed for whatever reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 11 months ago* Exactly. But screw them and screw that - even if Fairphone does it. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Obviously missing the point. Technology changes. 20 years ago, cars replaced tape decks with cds. 40 years ago they were replacing 8 tracks for cassettes. New cars dont even include any media other than bluetooth and fm radio. 3.5mm may still be 'useful' but the fwct of the matter, the majority of users wont even notice its absence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Is it really such a great majority, though? And how damn hard is it to put 3,5mm in a car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) About the same effort as putting physical buttons.... yet they are all putting a single touchscreen slab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago Which is just as terrible permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Is it really such a great majority, though? And how damn hard is it to put 3,5mm in a car? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) About the same effort as putting physical buttons.... yet they are all putting a single touchscreen slab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago Which is just as terrible permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) About the same effort as putting physical buttons.... yet they are all putting a single touchscreen slab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago Which is just as terrible permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 11 months ago Which is just as terrible permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] UnityDevice@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Sadly, they made it outdated. And it was surprisingly easy to convince people of that fact. They said to people "we're taking away functionality from you, but it's a good thing, as now we can sell you the new stuff and you won't have a choice - make sure to argue with people that don't agree," and most people obeyed for whatever reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 11 months ago* Exactly. But screw them and screw that - even if Fairphone does it. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 11 months ago* Exactly. But screw them and screw that - even if Fairphone does it. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago They make Bluetooth adapters for aux jacks and tape decks. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago (1 child) That's a bad comparison tbh. Bluetooth audio isn't a superior technology over wired audio (in many ways it's inferior). The two have always been included together with no issue until one company decided to drop one of them in order to more easily sell more expensive and less durable stuff. Other companies followed like sheep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) With aptx codec, its nearly the same as cd quality without the hassle of cds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. It's plenty for Spotify of course. I'm not against BT headphones, but you don't need to remove the headphone jack for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. Those are compressed bitrates of the full 1.4mbps of a cd. Aptx hd is near lossless. You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference. Which case, are you going to be listening from your phone with its shitty DAC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child) You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference Sure, I didn't say otherwise. It's enough for most people. A compressed bitrate is just not lossless. But again, for use with Spotify, which most do and isn't more than 320kbps, it's plenty. But that doesn't negate that it's still not better than wired. your phone with its shitty DAC? Totally depends on your phone, just like your BT headphones/earbuds. Not all phones have shitty DACs. You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. Quality wise, tape can be pretty close to CD. But most tape decks were shit. CDs were largely adopted because of convenience, not their audio quality. The majority of people only care about convenience. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. With added cost for a feature few use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago* Expensive tapes can come close to CDs, but generally tapes are noisier (outside of just the tapedeck), have a worse dynamic range and frequency response and they degrade over time. And indeed it's not all about sound quality. CDs are more convenient in quite a few ways while not really sacrificing quality and affordability and that does help a lot. The only convenience BT adds is not having wires, which is valid, but that's about it. In case of headphones and earbuds, BT also has inconveniences like batteries, BT pairing bs, more latency, worse mics and generally being way more expensive than a decent pair of wired earbuds. With added cost for a feature few use. Barely any cost, if any noticable cost at all. Phones are more expensive than ever. A headphone jack is not going to make much difference compared to the price increase of decent BT headphones/earbuds. And the reason few use it anymore is because everyone was forced to move to BT (or a dongle, which also sucks) due to phones almost collectively dropping the jack. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] zpiritual@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago Hardly. The quality is worse than the mp3s I downloaded from the pirate bay back in the day. Aptx hd is better but fairly uncommon. Sbc in high bitrate wounds fairly good but I've only come across it on linux with pipewire. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) With aptx codec, its nearly the same as cd quality without the hassle of cds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. It's plenty for Spotify of course. I'm not against BT headphones, but you don't need to remove the headphone jack for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. Those are compressed bitrates of the full 1.4mbps of a cd. Aptx hd is near lossless. You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference. Which case, are you going to be listening from your phone with its shitty DAC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child) You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference Sure, I didn't say otherwise. It's enough for most people. A compressed bitrate is just not lossless. But again, for use with Spotify, which most do and isn't more than 320kbps, it's plenty. But that doesn't negate that it's still not better than wired. your phone with its shitty DAC? Totally depends on your phone, just like your BT headphones/earbuds. Not all phones have shitty DACs. You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. Quality wise, tape can be pretty close to CD. But most tape decks were shit. CDs were largely adopted because of convenience, not their audio quality. The majority of people only care about convenience. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. With added cost for a feature few use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago* Expensive tapes can come close to CDs, but generally tapes are noisier (outside of just the tapedeck), have a worse dynamic range and frequency response and they degrade over time. And indeed it's not all about sound quality. CDs are more convenient in quite a few ways while not really sacrificing quality and affordability and that does help a lot. The only convenience BT adds is not having wires, which is valid, but that's about it. In case of headphones and earbuds, BT also has inconveniences like batteries, BT pairing bs, more latency, worse mics and generally being way more expensive than a decent pair of wired earbuds. With added cost for a feature few use. Barely any cost, if any noticable cost at all. Phones are more expensive than ever. A headphone jack is not going to make much difference compared to the price increase of decent BT headphones/earbuds. And the reason few use it anymore is because everyone was forced to move to BT (or a dongle, which also sucks) due to phones almost collectively dropping the jack. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] zpiritual@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago Hardly. The quality is worse than the mp3s I downloaded from the pirate bay back in the day. Aptx hd is better but fairly uncommon. Sbc in high bitrate wounds fairly good but I've only come across it on linux with pipewire. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. It's plenty for Spotify of course. I'm not against BT headphones, but you don't need to remove the headphone jack for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. Those are compressed bitrates of the full 1.4mbps of a cd. Aptx hd is near lossless. You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference. Which case, are you going to be listening from your phone with its shitty DAC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child) You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference Sure, I didn't say otherwise. It's enough for most people. A compressed bitrate is just not lossless. But again, for use with Spotify, which most do and isn't more than 320kbps, it's plenty. But that doesn't negate that it's still not better than wired. your phone with its shitty DAC? Totally depends on your phone, just like your BT headphones/earbuds. Not all phones have shitty DACs. You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. Quality wise, tape can be pretty close to CD. But most tape decks were shit. CDs were largely adopted because of convenience, not their audio quality. The majority of people only care about convenience. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. With added cost for a feature few use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago* Expensive tapes can come close to CDs, but generally tapes are noisier (outside of just the tapedeck), have a worse dynamic range and frequency response and they degrade over time. And indeed it's not all about sound quality. CDs are more convenient in quite a few ways while not really sacrificing quality and affordability and that does help a lot. The only convenience BT adds is not having wires, which is valid, but that's about it. In case of headphones and earbuds, BT also has inconveniences like batteries, BT pairing bs, more latency, worse mics and generally being way more expensive than a decent pair of wired earbuds. With added cost for a feature few use. Barely any cost, if any noticable cost at all. Phones are more expensive than ever. A headphone jack is not going to make much difference compared to the price increase of decent BT headphones/earbuds. And the reason few use it anymore is because everyone was forced to move to BT (or a dongle, which also sucks) due to phones almost collectively dropping the jack. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) A data rate of 352kbps for aptX and 576kbps for aptX HD is hardly cd quality. Those are compressed bitrates of the full 1.4mbps of a cd. Aptx hd is near lossless. You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference. Which case, are you going to be listening from your phone with its shitty DAC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child) You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference Sure, I didn't say otherwise. It's enough for most people. A compressed bitrate is just not lossless. But again, for use with Spotify, which most do and isn't more than 320kbps, it's plenty. But that doesn't negate that it's still not better than wired. your phone with its shitty DAC? Totally depends on your phone, just like your BT headphones/earbuds. Not all phones have shitty DACs. You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. Quality wise, tape can be pretty close to CD. But most tape decks were shit. CDs were largely adopted because of convenience, not their audio quality. The majority of people only care about convenience. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. With added cost for a feature few use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago* Expensive tapes can come close to CDs, but generally tapes are noisier (outside of just the tapedeck), have a worse dynamic range and frequency response and they degrade over time. And indeed it's not all about sound quality. CDs are more convenient in quite a few ways while not really sacrificing quality and affordability and that does help a lot. The only convenience BT adds is not having wires, which is valid, but that's about it. In case of headphones and earbuds, BT also has inconveniences like batteries, BT pairing bs, more latency, worse mics and generally being way more expensive than a decent pair of wired earbuds. With added cost for a feature few use. Barely any cost, if any noticable cost at all. Phones are more expensive than ever. A headphone jack is not going to make much difference compared to the price increase of decent BT headphones/earbuds. And the reason few use it anymore is because everyone was forced to move to BT (or a dongle, which also sucks) due to phones almost collectively dropping the jack. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child) You'd have to be a serious audiophile to notice the difference Sure, I didn't say otherwise. It's enough for most people. A compressed bitrate is just not lossless. But again, for use with Spotify, which most do and isn't more than 320kbps, it's plenty. But that doesn't negate that it's still not better than wired. your phone with its shitty DAC? Totally depends on your phone, just like your BT headphones/earbuds. Not all phones have shitty DACs. You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. Quality wise, tape can be pretty close to CD. But most tape decks were shit. CDs were largely adopted because of convenience, not their audio quality. The majority of people only care about convenience. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. With added cost for a feature few use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago* Expensive tapes can come close to CDs, but generally tapes are noisier (outside of just the tapedeck), have a worse dynamic range and frequency response and they degrade over time. And indeed it's not all about sound quality. CDs are more convenient in quite a few ways while not really sacrificing quality and affordability and that does help a lot. The only convenience BT adds is not having wires, which is valid, but that's about it. In case of headphones and earbuds, BT also has inconveniences like batteries, BT pairing bs, more latency, worse mics and generally being way more expensive than a decent pair of wired earbuds. With added cost for a feature few use. Barely any cost, if any noticable cost at all. Phones are more expensive than ever. A headphone jack is not going to make much difference compared to the price increase of decent BT headphones/earbuds. And the reason few use it anymore is because everyone was forced to move to BT (or a dongle, which also sucks) due to phones almost collectively dropping the jack. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) You drew a comparison between tape and cd, one of which is clearly superior. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. Quality wise, tape can be pretty close to CD. But most tape decks were shit. CDs were largely adopted because of convenience, not their audio quality. The majority of people only care about convenience. That's just not the case between wired and BT. Both can be together in one device. With added cost for a feature few use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago* Expensive tapes can come close to CDs, but generally tapes are noisier (outside of just the tapedeck), have a worse dynamic range and frequency response and they degrade over time. And indeed it's not all about sound quality. CDs are more convenient in quite a few ways while not really sacrificing quality and affordability and that does help a lot. The only convenience BT adds is not having wires, which is valid, but that's about it. In case of headphones and earbuds, BT also has inconveniences like batteries, BT pairing bs, more latency, worse mics and generally being way more expensive than a decent pair of wired earbuds. With added cost for a feature few use. Barely any cost, if any noticable cost at all. Phones are more expensive than ever. A headphone jack is not going to make much difference compared to the price increase of decent BT headphones/earbuds. And the reason few use it anymore is because everyone was forced to move to BT (or a dongle, which also sucks) due to phones almost collectively dropping the jack. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago* Expensive tapes can come close to CDs, but generally tapes are noisier (outside of just the tapedeck), have a worse dynamic range and frequency response and they degrade over time. And indeed it's not all about sound quality. CDs are more convenient in quite a few ways while not really sacrificing quality and affordability and that does help a lot. The only convenience BT adds is not having wires, which is valid, but that's about it. In case of headphones and earbuds, BT also has inconveniences like batteries, BT pairing bs, more latency, worse mics and generally being way more expensive than a decent pair of wired earbuds. With added cost for a feature few use. Barely any cost, if any noticable cost at all. Phones are more expensive than ever. A headphone jack is not going to make much difference compared to the price increase of decent BT headphones/earbuds. And the reason few use it anymore is because everyone was forced to move to BT (or a dongle, which also sucks) due to phones almost collectively dropping the jack. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] zpiritual@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago Hardly. The quality is worse than the mp3s I downloaded from the pirate bay back in the day. Aptx hd is better but fairly uncommon. Sbc in high bitrate wounds fairly good but I've only come across it on linux with pipewire. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 11 months ago Packaging the USB-C-to-3.5 doesn't solve the problem for me. I could plug in a headphone or line out AND a charger at the same time. And yes I frequently used that. There's are adapters that do both, but they are fiddly. Also I will need to have that stupid adapter with me. I have many many headphones. There's a headphone in every jacket I own (you never know when your need one). Every backpack. I then forget to bring the fucking adapter, and what use is all the depositing of headphones so I'll always have one? I'm not adding adapters to my headphone stashes, that's for sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Allero@lemmy.today 11 points 11 months ago* This is a real complaint, and for me personally, it's a complete dealbreaker. There have been converters, but I don't want to choose whether I want to charge my phone or listen to music (ยฟpor quรฉ no los dos?, i.e. "why not both?"). I also don't want to add up lines of dongles for something as primitive and actively used as a headphone jack. 3,5mm jack doesn't take much space and is used by many people, so why remove it? For regular companies, the answer is clear: to sell you wireless devices often produced by the same companies, costing more. But for Fairphone, a "fair" company that always shipped their phones with it, this seems like a betrayal. Failing to mention this giant point of concern is not great for a review article, either. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 months ago yeah so? If you need to regularly use one of those then that is a good argument for having it in the device itself permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago Itโs a real complaint to an extent; The real issue is that the jack itself isnโt enough, to be worth anything it needs a good DAC behind it and there have only been a handful of phones ever that have had that. So the jack complaint itself is mostly a meme as yeah, the USBC splitter option would sound just as good as most jacks built in. On devices that really care they use the 6mm jack anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] RheumatoidArthritis@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago I bought 4 of these before I've found one that does not add background noise that hurts ears. permalink fedilink source parent