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Are you a feminist? (If so why, if not why not?) (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 11 months ago by to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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Might help also to describe what you think feminism is, since it's one of those terms that is overloaded.

I once had a physical therapist tell me she wasn't a feminist because she thought women couldn't be as physically capable as men when serving as soldiers, and seemed to believe feminism requires treating women exactly like men.

I told her I was a feminist because I believe in equal rights for men and women, an idea she did not seem so opposed to.

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[+] -10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

I kind of agree on this. Women cannot expect equal pay for less work.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    But that's not what they are expecting. They expect to not have to work if they are sick. And that should apply to anyone, shouldn't it? Which leaves the question, who has to care for the sick? Historically that would be the family, but nowerdays with the focus on individualism, either everyone has to care (e.g. by some health care system) or we just accept that sick people are not cared for in our society and hope that we don't get sick. I know I prefer the first solution

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    The problem is grey area in what sick means when it comes to periods. Is low mood sick? Is PMS sick? Is pain during periods sick? Is being irritable sick? This makes it seem like an excuse at time.

    Men should also be then allowed to take leaves when they feel like shit or something. Point is equal pay for equal work. Women can’t expect to be CEOs and stuff when they don’t put in equal work. There are women who get to high posts inspite of all these problems and I respect that. I guess it is more of an individual to individual thing about who puts in efforts, who is truthful, etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I absolutely guarantee you one of those things is not like the others. Period pain can be truly debilitating, especially for a person with endometriosis. It is totally worth time off.

    Also, I find your insinuation that women take time off for ‘low mood’ and ‘being irritable’ frequently—as opposed to men—rather sexist and offensive, not to mention not reflective of reality.

    However, I do like how you inadvertently stumbled into the idea that we should all have more sick days and mental health should be included in the definition of ‘health’. Taking time off for a mental ‘breather’ should be normalized in our society. I also think higher-mental-stress jobs like 911 dispatcher should get more mental health off-time.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    If it is a diagnosed disease, then time off is no brainer. However, then they should not expect any promotions over other people without the disease (assuming equal work/hour).

    Also, I find your insinuation that women take time off for ‘low mood’ and ‘being irritable’ frequently—as opposed to men—rather sexist and offensive, not to mention not reflective of reality.

    I don't have data, it is based on my observations of people and opinions. I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

    inadvertently stumbled into the idea

    Because anyone other than "feminists" does not have a brain to come up with ideas intentionally. This statement is the perfect example why feminism is being promoted in an extremely stupid way. You attack the very people who are willing to engage in constructive discussions by calling them stupid. Then, you are surprised when they fight back and call them sexist pigs. No wonder men hate feminism as a movement.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    then they should not expect any promotions over other people without the disease (assuming equal work/hour).

    Are you saying if they work the same hours, but take off more of their sick days because of a disease, they shouldn’t get a promotion?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    And where in my previous post did I call you stupid?

    You speak of mental health days in a derogatory way, as if you find the very idea that people should take care of their mental as well as physical health offensive, for reasons I don’t understand.

    I’m saying that your mocking statement about taking days off for such things should in fact be something we do, and something we should find acceptable to do.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I agree that there is a big grey area on what is too sick to work, but with my proposal at least we are a big step further and instead of the employer deciding for you (who wants you to work for them) or you deciding on your own (who might not want to come to work after a night partying), there is now an (hopefully) independant entity, the doctor who decides.

    But I have to admit that of course the doctor can only listen to the patient and decide based on that, because there is just no way to measure pain/sickness objectively. So in the end we have to trust people to decide on their own if they are sick.

    With your proposed solution of x sick days, I guess that many people that are actually too sick for work have to work just because they don't have enough days, while some that don't get sick might use their sick days anyway, because they have them. And even with my solution, realistically there will be a lot of people going to work when they should rest, while there will also be people that use the system to rest after celebrating. I don't think a perfectly fair system is possible, but I prefer the system where people are not exploited and supressed.

    Coming back to your argument on periods, like I said, there is no way to measure someones pain besides asking them, and ignoring their answer is not the solution, so yes women should be able to take leaves for period pain. And yes, men should be able to take leaves if they feel like crap, even if that might mean taking of a day off that they might have been able to work. In the end the grey area is not perfectly convertable to able to work/not able to work.

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