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[β] rbos@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 year ago (2 children) Debian since 1998. No reason to change. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children) that should be their mission statement. Use Debian. No good reason to change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago βYouβve done a lot of work to make this work. Do you really want more work?ββ’ permalink fedilink source parent [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago I'm okay with it. permalink fedilink source parent [+] seralth@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago Consistent branding over multiple decades! permalink fedilink source parent [β] Laser@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Debian gaming wasn't great when a lot of the landscape was changing (around 2016?) and even one of my very Debian friendly colleagues switched his gaming machine to Arch back then because getting the new stuff like AMD Vulkan drivers and DXVK running was really hard on Debian. Don't think he migrated that particular machine back since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Prior to bookworm making non-free easy and nvidia driver opening one could make some arguments. These days, though, nothing compelling can be said to walk past Debian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago Yeah, but the post I replied to said "since 1998". That is prior to bookworm. Personally, I don't care for it too much. Every time I try it (which is rare) something annoys me. "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE"s, deviation from upstream that renders official documentation less valuable. With Arch (which I don't use anymore), you can be pretty sure that what's on your machine is what's currently released by upstream. This refers both to version and the software itself. Remember cdrkit? xscreensaver? The weak OpenSSH keys? Sure, these must notable examples are from long ago, but there were just so many issues over the course of my "career" that the distribution for me is somewhat burned. Also because all of this could have been easily avoided. Anyhow, use what you want, but it's for sure not my favorite distro. permalink fedilink source parent [β] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What about Debian's inability to run Proton 10? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago That's what beta is for right? permalink fedilink source parent [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) News to me. I'm running GloriousEggroll with proton 10... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) With nvidia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago Yeah, actually. The proprietary drivers unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I've always enjoyed the tinkering. My gaming habits pretty much grew up with WINE. DXVK was very exciting! Never been a stranger to compiling my own kernel or mucking about with DLL overrides. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The thing is, back then, for the stuff to work on Debian, you needed to compile your own newer kernel compile the new mesa that depended on that kernel and with how frequent updates were, this was something you'd probably do multiple times per month β at this point, why bother with Debian when you need to compile all the packages yourself? Remember that was a gaming machineβ¦ so why bother with Debian and spend hours each month when with Arch, it was just a pacman -Syu followed by a reboot and you could try out all that fancy new stuff? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) That really was not my experience. I didn't game much. WoW mostly. Some StarCraft. Minecraft. Online games. Debian unstable worked fine and I don't think I had to compile my own kernel (for gaming) at any point past 2005 or so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The discussion was implicitly around the changes brought by Vulkan and DXVK which enabled playing Windows Direct3D (this part is important) 11 and later 9 games without performance penalty. You could previously play Windows Direct3D 9 titles using Gallium Nine if you had an AMD card, though this was a bit iffy. WoW mostly. That's OpenGL, so not affected. Some StarCraft. Not 3D even. Minecraft. Neither Windows nor Direct3D, but Java with OpenGL. True, if all the games you played were OpenGL-accelerated, these changes didn't matter. But about 95% of games on the market weren't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm glad you're here to tell me how my experience the last 30 years was. Thank you for enlightening me as to how my choices were wrong and how I was silently suffering. I gamed on Debian. I was so wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not sure how you can read my comment that way, but you do you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Consider not responding with all the reasons someone's lived experience is impossible in future. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children) that should be their mission statement. Use Debian. No good reason to change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago βYouβve done a lot of work to make this work. Do you really want more work?ββ’ permalink fedilink source parent [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago I'm okay with it. permalink fedilink source parent [+] seralth@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago Consistent branding over multiple decades! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago βYouβve done a lot of work to make this work. Do you really want more work?ββ’ permalink fedilink source parent
[+] seralth@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago Consistent branding over multiple decades! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago Consistent branding over multiple decades! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Laser@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Debian gaming wasn't great when a lot of the landscape was changing (around 2016?) and even one of my very Debian friendly colleagues switched his gaming machine to Arch back then because getting the new stuff like AMD Vulkan drivers and DXVK running was really hard on Debian. Don't think he migrated that particular machine back since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Prior to bookworm making non-free easy and nvidia driver opening one could make some arguments. These days, though, nothing compelling can be said to walk past Debian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago Yeah, but the post I replied to said "since 1998". That is prior to bookworm. Personally, I don't care for it too much. Every time I try it (which is rare) something annoys me. "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE"s, deviation from upstream that renders official documentation less valuable. With Arch (which I don't use anymore), you can be pretty sure that what's on your machine is what's currently released by upstream. This refers both to version and the software itself. Remember cdrkit? xscreensaver? The weak OpenSSH keys? Sure, these must notable examples are from long ago, but there were just so many issues over the course of my "career" that the distribution for me is somewhat burned. Also because all of this could have been easily avoided. Anyhow, use what you want, but it's for sure not my favorite distro. permalink fedilink source parent [β] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What about Debian's inability to run Proton 10? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago That's what beta is for right? permalink fedilink source parent [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) News to me. I'm running GloriousEggroll with proton 10... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) With nvidia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago Yeah, actually. The proprietary drivers unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I've always enjoyed the tinkering. My gaming habits pretty much grew up with WINE. DXVK was very exciting! Never been a stranger to compiling my own kernel or mucking about with DLL overrides. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The thing is, back then, for the stuff to work on Debian, you needed to compile your own newer kernel compile the new mesa that depended on that kernel and with how frequent updates were, this was something you'd probably do multiple times per month β at this point, why bother with Debian when you need to compile all the packages yourself? Remember that was a gaming machineβ¦ so why bother with Debian and spend hours each month when with Arch, it was just a pacman -Syu followed by a reboot and you could try out all that fancy new stuff? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) That really was not my experience. I didn't game much. WoW mostly. Some StarCraft. Minecraft. Online games. Debian unstable worked fine and I don't think I had to compile my own kernel (for gaming) at any point past 2005 or so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The discussion was implicitly around the changes brought by Vulkan and DXVK which enabled playing Windows Direct3D (this part is important) 11 and later 9 games without performance penalty. You could previously play Windows Direct3D 9 titles using Gallium Nine if you had an AMD card, though this was a bit iffy. WoW mostly. That's OpenGL, so not affected. Some StarCraft. Not 3D even. Minecraft. Neither Windows nor Direct3D, but Java with OpenGL. True, if all the games you played were OpenGL-accelerated, these changes didn't matter. But about 95% of games on the market weren't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm glad you're here to tell me how my experience the last 30 years was. Thank you for enlightening me as to how my choices were wrong and how I was silently suffering. I gamed on Debian. I was so wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not sure how you can read my comment that way, but you do you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Consider not responding with all the reasons someone's lived experience is impossible in future. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Prior to bookworm making non-free easy and nvidia driver opening one could make some arguments. These days, though, nothing compelling can be said to walk past Debian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago Yeah, but the post I replied to said "since 1998". That is prior to bookworm. Personally, I don't care for it too much. Every time I try it (which is rare) something annoys me. "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE"s, deviation from upstream that renders official documentation less valuable. With Arch (which I don't use anymore), you can be pretty sure that what's on your machine is what's currently released by upstream. This refers both to version and the software itself. Remember cdrkit? xscreensaver? The weak OpenSSH keys? Sure, these must notable examples are from long ago, but there were just so many issues over the course of my "career" that the distribution for me is somewhat burned. Also because all of this could have been easily avoided. Anyhow, use what you want, but it's for sure not my favorite distro. permalink fedilink source parent [β] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What about Debian's inability to run Proton 10? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago That's what beta is for right? permalink fedilink source parent [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) News to me. I'm running GloriousEggroll with proton 10... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) With nvidia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago Yeah, actually. The proprietary drivers unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Laser@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago Yeah, but the post I replied to said "since 1998". That is prior to bookworm. Personally, I don't care for it too much. Every time I try it (which is rare) something annoys me. "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE"s, deviation from upstream that renders official documentation less valuable. With Arch (which I don't use anymore), you can be pretty sure that what's on your machine is what's currently released by upstream. This refers both to version and the software itself. Remember cdrkit? xscreensaver? The weak OpenSSH keys? Sure, these must notable examples are from long ago, but there were just so many issues over the course of my "career" that the distribution for me is somewhat burned. Also because all of this could have been easily avoided. Anyhow, use what you want, but it's for sure not my favorite distro. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What about Debian's inability to run Proton 10? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago That's what beta is for right? permalink fedilink source parent [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) News to me. I'm running GloriousEggroll with proton 10... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) With nvidia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago Yeah, actually. The proprietary drivers unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago That's what beta is for right? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) News to me. I'm running GloriousEggroll with proton 10... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) With nvidia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago Yeah, actually. The proprietary drivers unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) With nvidia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago Yeah, actually. The proprietary drivers unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago Yeah, actually. The proprietary drivers unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I've always enjoyed the tinkering. My gaming habits pretty much grew up with WINE. DXVK was very exciting! Never been a stranger to compiling my own kernel or mucking about with DLL overrides. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The thing is, back then, for the stuff to work on Debian, you needed to compile your own newer kernel compile the new mesa that depended on that kernel and with how frequent updates were, this was something you'd probably do multiple times per month β at this point, why bother with Debian when you need to compile all the packages yourself? Remember that was a gaming machineβ¦ so why bother with Debian and spend hours each month when with Arch, it was just a pacman -Syu followed by a reboot and you could try out all that fancy new stuff? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) That really was not my experience. I didn't game much. WoW mostly. Some StarCraft. Minecraft. Online games. Debian unstable worked fine and I don't think I had to compile my own kernel (for gaming) at any point past 2005 or so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The discussion was implicitly around the changes brought by Vulkan and DXVK which enabled playing Windows Direct3D (this part is important) 11 and later 9 games without performance penalty. You could previously play Windows Direct3D 9 titles using Gallium Nine if you had an AMD card, though this was a bit iffy. WoW mostly. That's OpenGL, so not affected. Some StarCraft. Not 3D even. Minecraft. Neither Windows nor Direct3D, but Java with OpenGL. True, if all the games you played were OpenGL-accelerated, these changes didn't matter. But about 95% of games on the market weren't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm glad you're here to tell me how my experience the last 30 years was. Thank you for enlightening me as to how my choices were wrong and how I was silently suffering. I gamed on Debian. I was so wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not sure how you can read my comment that way, but you do you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Consider not responding with all the reasons someone's lived experience is impossible in future. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Laser@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The thing is, back then, for the stuff to work on Debian, you needed to compile your own newer kernel compile the new mesa that depended on that kernel and with how frequent updates were, this was something you'd probably do multiple times per month β at this point, why bother with Debian when you need to compile all the packages yourself? Remember that was a gaming machineβ¦ so why bother with Debian and spend hours each month when with Arch, it was just a pacman -Syu followed by a reboot and you could try out all that fancy new stuff? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) That really was not my experience. I didn't game much. WoW mostly. Some StarCraft. Minecraft. Online games. Debian unstable worked fine and I don't think I had to compile my own kernel (for gaming) at any point past 2005 or so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The discussion was implicitly around the changes brought by Vulkan and DXVK which enabled playing Windows Direct3D (this part is important) 11 and later 9 games without performance penalty. You could previously play Windows Direct3D 9 titles using Gallium Nine if you had an AMD card, though this was a bit iffy. WoW mostly. That's OpenGL, so not affected. Some StarCraft. Not 3D even. Minecraft. Neither Windows nor Direct3D, but Java with OpenGL. True, if all the games you played were OpenGL-accelerated, these changes didn't matter. But about 95% of games on the market weren't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm glad you're here to tell me how my experience the last 30 years was. Thank you for enlightening me as to how my choices were wrong and how I was silently suffering. I gamed on Debian. I was so wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not sure how you can read my comment that way, but you do you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Consider not responding with all the reasons someone's lived experience is impossible in future. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) That really was not my experience. I didn't game much. WoW mostly. Some StarCraft. Minecraft. Online games. Debian unstable worked fine and I don't think I had to compile my own kernel (for gaming) at any point past 2005 or so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The discussion was implicitly around the changes brought by Vulkan and DXVK which enabled playing Windows Direct3D (this part is important) 11 and later 9 games without performance penalty. You could previously play Windows Direct3D 9 titles using Gallium Nine if you had an AMD card, though this was a bit iffy. WoW mostly. That's OpenGL, so not affected. Some StarCraft. Not 3D even. Minecraft. Neither Windows nor Direct3D, but Java with OpenGL. True, if all the games you played were OpenGL-accelerated, these changes didn't matter. But about 95% of games on the market weren't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm glad you're here to tell me how my experience the last 30 years was. Thank you for enlightening me as to how my choices were wrong and how I was silently suffering. I gamed on Debian. I was so wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not sure how you can read my comment that way, but you do you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Consider not responding with all the reasons someone's lived experience is impossible in future. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Laser@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The discussion was implicitly around the changes brought by Vulkan and DXVK which enabled playing Windows Direct3D (this part is important) 11 and later 9 games without performance penalty. You could previously play Windows Direct3D 9 titles using Gallium Nine if you had an AMD card, though this was a bit iffy. WoW mostly. That's OpenGL, so not affected. Some StarCraft. Not 3D even. Minecraft. Neither Windows nor Direct3D, but Java with OpenGL. True, if all the games you played were OpenGL-accelerated, these changes didn't matter. But about 95% of games on the market weren't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm glad you're here to tell me how my experience the last 30 years was. Thank you for enlightening me as to how my choices were wrong and how I was silently suffering. I gamed on Debian. I was so wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not sure how you can read my comment that way, but you do you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Consider not responding with all the reasons someone's lived experience is impossible in future. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm glad you're here to tell me how my experience the last 30 years was. Thank you for enlightening me as to how my choices were wrong and how I was silently suffering. I gamed on Debian. I was so wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Laser@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not sure how you can read my comment that way, but you do you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Consider not responding with all the reasons someone's lived experience is impossible in future. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Laser@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not sure how you can read my comment that way, but you do you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Consider not responding with all the reasons someone's lived experience is impossible in future. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rbos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Consider not responding with all the reasons someone's lived experience is impossible in future. permalink fedilink source parent