▲ 451 ▼ Valve's reported profit-per-head from Steam commissions is out there, and at $3.5 million per employee it makes Apple and Facebook look like a lemonade stand (www.pcgamer.com) submitted 1 year ago by mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml to c/steam@lemmy.ml 70 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] floo 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago (2 children) And it was a shitload of work that took a decade plus, even being built on top of pieces that were even older, with absolutely zero guarantee of any kind of a payout. Very few companies make these kinds of risks anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 46 points 1 year ago (3 children) It's not only goodwill, it's a survival tactic for valve. The worst case scenario for them, is see microsoft expand their monopoly to have all apps and software available only through their Microsoft app store, competing directly with valve, with the unfair advantage of microsoft controlling both windows and the app store. They could (and probably have) tried to get to where apple is with its app store on macos/ios. Though of course this would be an anticompetitive move, but the intentions could still exist making valves life difficult. The moment they can untie gaming from windows, they have a path forward to keeping themselves not only alive but relevant and probably safe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 child) They could (and probably have) tried to get to where apple is with its app store on macos/ios. They did. The Windows 10/11 "S Mode" only allows installing software through the Windows store. It was mostly relegated to OEM installs for cheap x86 and ARM laptops, thankfully. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenCrunch@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ew. I hate that. I see they offer an option in settings to permanently switch out of S mode, but that seems like it's a crappy excuse. I'm guessing most users are never going to go there, and will stay in S mode, using only Microsoft's awful products. That's their intention, at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Seems like Cromebook mode to me. There's a niche of super light interchangeable tablets or notebooks I could see that working on, but nothing MS makes is light except the theme. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago i mean they have already untied gaming from windows, the steam deck works fine for most games permalink fedilink source parent [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Damage@feddit.it 16 points 1 year ago Yet Valve has demonstrated it's smarter than any of them, we're literally commenting on an article saying they're making 3.5 million $ per employee permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) What are their respective market shares compared to steam? Is it comparable? If it's not, maybe they're missing the leverage to try what Valve is attempting. But also, and likely, this is a costly long term development process. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago It's not a coincidence that they are not a publicly traded company... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago (2 children) And it was a shitload of work that took a decade plus, even being built on top of pieces that were even older, with absolutely zero guarantee of any kind of a payout. Very few companies make these kinds of risks anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 46 points 1 year ago (3 children) It's not only goodwill, it's a survival tactic for valve. The worst case scenario for them, is see microsoft expand their monopoly to have all apps and software available only through their Microsoft app store, competing directly with valve, with the unfair advantage of microsoft controlling both windows and the app store. They could (and probably have) tried to get to where apple is with its app store on macos/ios. Though of course this would be an anticompetitive move, but the intentions could still exist making valves life difficult. The moment they can untie gaming from windows, they have a path forward to keeping themselves not only alive but relevant and probably safe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 child) They could (and probably have) tried to get to where apple is with its app store on macos/ios. They did. The Windows 10/11 "S Mode" only allows installing software through the Windows store. It was mostly relegated to OEM installs for cheap x86 and ARM laptops, thankfully. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenCrunch@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ew. I hate that. I see they offer an option in settings to permanently switch out of S mode, but that seems like it's a crappy excuse. I'm guessing most users are never going to go there, and will stay in S mode, using only Microsoft's awful products. That's their intention, at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Seems like Cromebook mode to me. There's a niche of super light interchangeable tablets or notebooks I could see that working on, but nothing MS makes is light except the theme. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago i mean they have already untied gaming from windows, the steam deck works fine for most games permalink fedilink source parent [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Damage@feddit.it 16 points 1 year ago Yet Valve has demonstrated it's smarter than any of them, we're literally commenting on an article saying they're making 3.5 million $ per employee permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) What are their respective market shares compared to steam? Is it comparable? If it's not, maybe they're missing the leverage to try what Valve is attempting. But also, and likely, this is a costly long term development process. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago It's not a coincidence that they are not a publicly traded company... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 46 points 1 year ago (3 children) It's not only goodwill, it's a survival tactic for valve. The worst case scenario for them, is see microsoft expand their monopoly to have all apps and software available only through their Microsoft app store, competing directly with valve, with the unfair advantage of microsoft controlling both windows and the app store. They could (and probably have) tried to get to where apple is with its app store on macos/ios. Though of course this would be an anticompetitive move, but the intentions could still exist making valves life difficult. The moment they can untie gaming from windows, they have a path forward to keeping themselves not only alive but relevant and probably safe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 child) They could (and probably have) tried to get to where apple is with its app store on macos/ios. They did. The Windows 10/11 "S Mode" only allows installing software through the Windows store. It was mostly relegated to OEM installs for cheap x86 and ARM laptops, thankfully. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenCrunch@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ew. I hate that. I see they offer an option in settings to permanently switch out of S mode, but that seems like it's a crappy excuse. I'm guessing most users are never going to go there, and will stay in S mode, using only Microsoft's awful products. That's their intention, at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Seems like Cromebook mode to me. There's a niche of super light interchangeable tablets or notebooks I could see that working on, but nothing MS makes is light except the theme. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago i mean they have already untied gaming from windows, the steam deck works fine for most games permalink fedilink source parent [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Damage@feddit.it 16 points 1 year ago Yet Valve has demonstrated it's smarter than any of them, we're literally commenting on an article saying they're making 3.5 million $ per employee permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) What are their respective market shares compared to steam? Is it comparable? If it's not, maybe they're missing the leverage to try what Valve is attempting. But also, and likely, this is a costly long term development process. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 child) They could (and probably have) tried to get to where apple is with its app store on macos/ios. They did. The Windows 10/11 "S Mode" only allows installing software through the Windows store. It was mostly relegated to OEM installs for cheap x86 and ARM laptops, thankfully. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenCrunch@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ew. I hate that. I see they offer an option in settings to permanently switch out of S mode, but that seems like it's a crappy excuse. I'm guessing most users are never going to go there, and will stay in S mode, using only Microsoft's awful products. That's their intention, at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Seems like Cromebook mode to me. There's a niche of super light interchangeable tablets or notebooks I could see that working on, but nothing MS makes is light except the theme. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenCrunch@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ew. I hate that. I see they offer an option in settings to permanently switch out of S mode, but that seems like it's a crappy excuse. I'm guessing most users are never going to go there, and will stay in S mode, using only Microsoft's awful products. That's their intention, at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Seems like Cromebook mode to me. There's a niche of super light interchangeable tablets or notebooks I could see that working on, but nothing MS makes is light except the theme. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Seems like Cromebook mode to me. There's a niche of super light interchangeable tablets or notebooks I could see that working on, but nothing MS makes is light except the theme. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago i mean they have already untied gaming from windows, the steam deck works fine for most games permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Damage@feddit.it 16 points 1 year ago Yet Valve has demonstrated it's smarter than any of them, we're literally commenting on an article saying they're making 3.5 million $ per employee permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) What are their respective market shares compared to steam? Is it comparable? If it's not, maybe they're missing the leverage to try what Valve is attempting. But also, and likely, this is a costly long term development process. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Damage@feddit.it 16 points 1 year ago Yet Valve has demonstrated it's smarter than any of them, we're literally commenting on an article saying they're making 3.5 million $ per employee permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) What are their respective market shares compared to steam? Is it comparable? If it's not, maybe they're missing the leverage to try what Valve is attempting. But also, and likely, this is a costly long term development process. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago It's not a coincidence that they are not a publicly traded company... permalink fedilink source parent