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[–] 187 points 1 year ago (9 children)

The stupidest censorship I’ve seen like this is Community’s first DnD episode. Chang dresses up as a drow and that is considered “blackface” even though they address it in the episode that he isn’t black but a drow. So goodbye episode on streaming.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    they could have avoided this crap by just choosing grey. drows and variants come in various shades. it's so fucking stupid

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The joke wouldn't work as well if they did that. They joke about blackface, so you need black. This doesn't look like a black person does anyway, so I don't see how gray would make it better.

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  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They joke about blackface, so you need black.

    Yeah, making a racist, bad take joke was so worth it. It surely wouldn't have made Shirley look out of touch that way, making a different joke that wasn't as SUPER EDGY.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'll bet you don't understand Tropic Thunder's humor either.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I guess I'm out of touch with the race politics jokes of 1890s, so the parody seems out of time for me.

    EDIT : Maybe if they threw in a tin pan alley, player piano or travelling curio joke, I'd have gotten it a bit better.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Well, the first problem is that you think the Drow makeup is blackface or that Shirley being out of touch is a bad thing. Shirley's character was out of touch initially and she developed over time as part of her character arc. Yvette Nicole Brown knew it wasn't blackface and that the joke went over some people's heads.

    Cast member Yvette Nicole Brown mentioned that it did not seem the joke was understood by those criticizing it, as there was context that in her view made it different from blackface.

    The joke was that it was a passing resemblance, Shirley makes an assumption, and everyone else moves on because it isn't actually blackface. This is very different from the other shows like 30 rock and always sunny where the characters were in actual blackface while mocking blackface. I still think those shouldn't have been removed since they were mocking blackface, but this is completely different.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    OK. Let's break it all the way down explicitly.

    The joke is that Chang's character is in Drow makeup, and because Shirley is out of touch with games, she thinks that the Drow make up is blackface.

    The depiction of the Drow makeup has chosen an "ambigious" shade of black/grey that made it seem to some viewers or people who want to see it that way , as blackface, in real life, not as a character in the show. This caused problems.

    The suggestion, is that if they chose grey or some other ashy shade , and or gone more elaborate with the make up, like red contacts, or pointy ears, they could have done EXACT joke, but made it not "ambigious" and avoided the heat that the episode has actually gotten.

    I would even say that having a LESS blackface looking make up would further accentuate Shirley's out of touchness, making it funnier, as it would be more ridiculous that A) She would think that make up is blackface and B) Shirley thinks that's what Chang thinks making himself look like a black person would entail, red eyes and pointy ears and a non human shade of darkness.

    Furthermore, expanding on my other point which was not adressed in your post :

    I guess I’m out of touch with the race politics jokes of 1890s, so the parody seems out of time for me.
    Maybe if they threw in a tin pan alley, player piano or travelling curio joke, I’d have gotten it a bit better.

    What the fuck are it's always sunny et al doing making fun of this outdated shit in the first place? Did they get that mad at Spike Lee making Bamboozled and using blackface as an analogy of people acting up to stereotypes to get ahead in life , that they had to address it as a commentary on blackface, an "artform" from the 1890s as a target?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The suggestion, is that if they chose grey or some other ashy shade , and or gone more elaborate with the make up, like red contacts, or pointy ears, they could have done EXACT joke, but made it not “ambigious” and avoided the heat that the episode has actually gotten.

    That is the kind of mindset that leads to banning any mockery of a thing because it contains anything close to the thing, because you don't understand nuance.

    What the fuck are it’s always sunny et al doing making fun of this outdated shit in the first place?

    Mocking terrible people by mocking things that terrible people do and it isn't like it is in the distant past.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Reminds me of how that musician Michael Jackson did whiteface 😮‍💨 I was beyond offended, we need to address behaviour like this more often, absolutely deplorable.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Michael Jackson had a skin condition called vitiligo, which causes patches of skin to lose their pigmentation, resulting in a lighter skin tone. He used makeup and skin-lightening creams to manage the appearance of his skin, which led to public speculation about his changing appearance. He never did "whiteface", his face was literally white.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Do you think this isn't an obvious reference to blackface? The joke doesn't make sense if blackface had never been a thing, so it's a joke about blackface. And that's bad.

    Community is my favorite show and this episode is fantastic. But pretending it's not blackface just because "he's actually a drow!!!" is so stupid.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Haven't seen the episode, but it seems clear they're making fun of blackface.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    You're right but it seems like most people still missed that as the majority of comments think the joke is that it isn't blackface (rather than very clearly too close to blackface and Chang, somehow, not registering that).

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    It is a setup to a joke about how anything vaguely similar to a terrible thing is assumed to be the terrible thing, and that Change is too clueless to catch on.

    The drow makeup is not blackface any more than black face camo is blackface.

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