▲ 37 ▼ Capitalism is nothing but a giant pyramid scheme. (infosec.pub) submitted 3 years ago by its_a_mit@infosec.pub to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world 81 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] w2qw@aussie.zone 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) Generally the idea is that both parties need to benefit from any transaction if it is voluntary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] migo@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) When you have to eat and the means to feed ourselves is held by few, no transaction is voluntary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Of course it's voluntary. You choose what you buy, when you do it, how much and from whom. If someone held you on gunpoint and told you to buy their product, that would be involuntary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) You can choose what, when, how much, and from whom, but you are still are still forced to do so. Choosing which person puts me at gunpoint doesn't make it voluntary permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) You can also feed yourself by growing food or hunting. Neither of those are banned, just more inconvenient and you probably have some other skills to sell and buy food instead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I can only do so on land that I purchased. Or on someone else's land I purchased the right to do so on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Or hunt on public land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) That costs money. I have to buy the right to hunt on public land or I go to prison for poaching permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Can I interest you in CWA (Crackers With Attitude)'s Fuck The DNR? permalink fedilink source parent [–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago Generally speaking, slavery is also benefitial to both parties, you're either a slave out you get killed. While technically voluntary (because a slave can still choose stand up to the oppressor, even if it's guaranteed to fail) we don't consider slavery voluntary. We can say that in this day and age our work is voluntary, but it's debatable. You can look to this year how "voluntary" it is when the Hollywood execs literally said they will wait for the protesters to starve so they'd get back to work. When there's such a severe power dynamic it becomes almost no different to slavery, because you, individually, can be effectively forced back to work. The only reason Hollywood protests have any chance to have impact is because they collectively oppose the oppression. The power dynamic is being balanced (or dipped in the favor of labor) by sheer number of protestors / workers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] migo@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) When you have to eat and the means to feed ourselves is held by few, no transaction is voluntary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Of course it's voluntary. You choose what you buy, when you do it, how much and from whom. If someone held you on gunpoint and told you to buy their product, that would be involuntary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) You can choose what, when, how much, and from whom, but you are still are still forced to do so. Choosing which person puts me at gunpoint doesn't make it voluntary permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) You can also feed yourself by growing food or hunting. Neither of those are banned, just more inconvenient and you probably have some other skills to sell and buy food instead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I can only do so on land that I purchased. Or on someone else's land I purchased the right to do so on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Or hunt on public land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) That costs money. I have to buy the right to hunt on public land or I go to prison for poaching permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Can I interest you in CWA (Crackers With Attitude)'s Fuck The DNR? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hemko@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Of course it's voluntary. You choose what you buy, when you do it, how much and from whom. If someone held you on gunpoint and told you to buy their product, that would be involuntary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) You can choose what, when, how much, and from whom, but you are still are still forced to do so. Choosing which person puts me at gunpoint doesn't make it voluntary permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) You can also feed yourself by growing food or hunting. Neither of those are banned, just more inconvenient and you probably have some other skills to sell and buy food instead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I can only do so on land that I purchased. Or on someone else's land I purchased the right to do so on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Or hunt on public land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) That costs money. I have to buy the right to hunt on public land or I go to prison for poaching permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Can I interest you in CWA (Crackers With Attitude)'s Fuck The DNR? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) You can choose what, when, how much, and from whom, but you are still are still forced to do so. Choosing which person puts me at gunpoint doesn't make it voluntary permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) You can also feed yourself by growing food or hunting. Neither of those are banned, just more inconvenient and you probably have some other skills to sell and buy food instead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I can only do so on land that I purchased. Or on someone else's land I purchased the right to do so on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Or hunt on public land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) That costs money. I have to buy the right to hunt on public land or I go to prison for poaching permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Can I interest you in CWA (Crackers With Attitude)'s Fuck The DNR? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hemko@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) You can also feed yourself by growing food or hunting. Neither of those are banned, just more inconvenient and you probably have some other skills to sell and buy food instead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I can only do so on land that I purchased. Or on someone else's land I purchased the right to do so on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Or hunt on public land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) That costs money. I have to buy the right to hunt on public land or I go to prison for poaching permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Can I interest you in CWA (Crackers With Attitude)'s Fuck The DNR? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I can only do so on land that I purchased. Or on someone else's land I purchased the right to do so on permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Or hunt on public land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) That costs money. I have to buy the right to hunt on public land or I go to prison for poaching permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Can I interest you in CWA (Crackers With Attitude)'s Fuck The DNR? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Godric@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Or hunt on public land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) That costs money. I have to buy the right to hunt on public land or I go to prison for poaching permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Can I interest you in CWA (Crackers With Attitude)'s Fuck The DNR? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) That costs money. I have to buy the right to hunt on public land or I go to prison for poaching permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Can I interest you in CWA (Crackers With Attitude)'s Fuck The DNR? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Godric@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Can I interest you in CWA (Crackers With Attitude)'s Fuck The DNR? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago Generally speaking, slavery is also benefitial to both parties, you're either a slave out you get killed. While technically voluntary (because a slave can still choose stand up to the oppressor, even if it's guaranteed to fail) we don't consider slavery voluntary. We can say that in this day and age our work is voluntary, but it's debatable. You can look to this year how "voluntary" it is when the Hollywood execs literally said they will wait for the protesters to starve so they'd get back to work. When there's such a severe power dynamic it becomes almost no different to slavery, because you, individually, can be effectively forced back to work. The only reason Hollywood protests have any chance to have impact is because they collectively oppose the oppression. The power dynamic is being balanced (or dipped in the favor of labor) by sheer number of protestors / workers. permalink fedilink source parent