▲ 112 ▼ Japanese YouTuber convicted of copyright violation after uploading Let’s Play videos (www.theverge.com) submitted 2 years ago by meiko60@lemmy.sdf.org to c/technology@lemmy.ml 21 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (4 children) Why do they have full right. They don't own anything but the game. What gives them any right to do anything but try to sue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Review embargoes are a pretty well understood concept. Sometimes the review embargoes don't end until the game release or just before it. Not this was a review so that wouldn't matter anyway this was just directly recording the content which is always going to be illegal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago That does mean it should be criminal or that a website should be forced to take it doen permalink fedilink source parent [–] whileloop@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Obligatory I am not a lawyer, this is just my opinion. A let's play is a derivative work. You can claim fair use, but that's hard to do. Fair use often boils down to a question of 'does the derivative work compete with the original enough to cause a loss in sales?' Think of when people film themselves watching a movie for YouTube, without cutting anything out and barely commentating over anything, meaning that someone could watch their video instead of the movie and get almost the same content. In this case, he filmed himself playing the entirety of a visual novel. I think it's fair to say that for a lot of people, his let's play could absolutely substitute for playing the game, thus losing sales for the developer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But losing sales for the company should not be a criminal act. A sternly written letter should be the maximum punishment while the company pounds sand permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah this part of it isn't getting enough attention. Take down his videos? Totally normal. Make him pay for some damages? Sure, I guess. Put him in prison? What the fuck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I would say it's wrong they can get the video taken done. If he created the video then it's his. They should have to pound sand permalink fedilink source parent [–] Delphia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Putting it in the simple most non legalese way possible. To go to the trouble of pressing charges or suing you have to show "damages" (Physical, financial, emotional) and official reviewers almost always have to sign "embargo" paperwork telling them explicitly what they can and cant talk about before a certain date. By putting this content out before release, he potentially impacted sales by a noticable amount and likely either obtained the copy illegally, unethically or broke contract to do so. They can likely show damages and point to breach of the law in doing so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Shouldn't be criminal. They should sue for damage but there should be no crime. permalink fedilink source parent [–] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Exactly. They own the game. Let's plays are derivitive work. They legaly can do whatever they want with it. Mojang also already DMCA'd people: https://youtu.be/9ARAhvFEA3s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/9ARAhvFEA3s Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) They shouldn't have that power. The content creator owns the content they created permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] dinckelman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago More like if you make a video that reviews a car, that doesn't give the manufacturer the right to remove it. This was a let's play, they weren't redistributing the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Review embargoes are a pretty well understood concept. Sometimes the review embargoes don't end until the game release or just before it. Not this was a review so that wouldn't matter anyway this was just directly recording the content which is always going to be illegal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago That does mean it should be criminal or that a website should be forced to take it doen permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago That does mean it should be criminal or that a website should be forced to take it doen permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whileloop@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Obligatory I am not a lawyer, this is just my opinion. A let's play is a derivative work. You can claim fair use, but that's hard to do. Fair use often boils down to a question of 'does the derivative work compete with the original enough to cause a loss in sales?' Think of when people film themselves watching a movie for YouTube, without cutting anything out and barely commentating over anything, meaning that someone could watch their video instead of the movie and get almost the same content. In this case, he filmed himself playing the entirety of a visual novel. I think it's fair to say that for a lot of people, his let's play could absolutely substitute for playing the game, thus losing sales for the developer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But losing sales for the company should not be a criminal act. A sternly written letter should be the maximum punishment while the company pounds sand permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah this part of it isn't getting enough attention. Take down his videos? Totally normal. Make him pay for some damages? Sure, I guess. Put him in prison? What the fuck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I would say it's wrong they can get the video taken done. If he created the video then it's his. They should have to pound sand permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But losing sales for the company should not be a criminal act. A sternly written letter should be the maximum punishment while the company pounds sand permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah this part of it isn't getting enough attention. Take down his videos? Totally normal. Make him pay for some damages? Sure, I guess. Put him in prison? What the fuck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I would say it's wrong they can get the video taken done. If he created the video then it's his. They should have to pound sand permalink fedilink source parent
[–] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah this part of it isn't getting enough attention. Take down his videos? Totally normal. Make him pay for some damages? Sure, I guess. Put him in prison? What the fuck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I would say it's wrong they can get the video taken done. If he created the video then it's his. They should have to pound sand permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I would say it's wrong they can get the video taken done. If he created the video then it's his. They should have to pound sand permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Putting it in the simple most non legalese way possible. To go to the trouble of pressing charges or suing you have to show "damages" (Physical, financial, emotional) and official reviewers almost always have to sign "embargo" paperwork telling them explicitly what they can and cant talk about before a certain date. By putting this content out before release, he potentially impacted sales by a noticable amount and likely either obtained the copy illegally, unethically or broke contract to do so. They can likely show damages and point to breach of the law in doing so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Shouldn't be criminal. They should sue for damage but there should be no crime. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Shouldn't be criminal. They should sue for damage but there should be no crime. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Exactly. They own the game. Let's plays are derivitive work. They legaly can do whatever they want with it. Mojang also already DMCA'd people: https://youtu.be/9ARAhvFEA3s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/9ARAhvFEA3s Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) They shouldn't have that power. The content creator owns the content they created permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] dinckelman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago More like if you make a video that reviews a car, that doesn't give the manufacturer the right to remove it. This was a let's play, they weren't redistributing the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/9ARAhvFEA3s Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) They shouldn't have that power. The content creator owns the content they created permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] dinckelman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago More like if you make a video that reviews a car, that doesn't give the manufacturer the right to remove it. This was a let's play, they weren't redistributing the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] dinckelman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago More like if you make a video that reviews a car, that doesn't give the manufacturer the right to remove it. This was a let's play, they weren't redistributing the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago More like if you make a video that reviews a car, that doesn't give the manufacturer the right to remove it. This was a let's play, they weren't redistributing the game. permalink fedilink source parent