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I just want to say that I'm so happy that people are taking notice of privacy concerns in cars (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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Mozilla released their studies, and I'm seeing a growing number of posts on the Internet about cars and the privacy nightmare they entail. I remember how this issue wasn't talked about earlier because "just buy an older car" was still prevalent. I'm so happy that people are taking notice. Thank you to this community and Mozilla for the work they are putting in!

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[–] 122 points 2 years ago* (19 children)

I'm basically in the position that I'm driving a car from 1999, and when it finally dies, I'll either be resigned to riding the bus or finding another aged used car without all this absolute bullshit in it.

Maybe it really is time for the Free Open Source Vehicle.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You don't need a very old car, just one that is old enough the cellular network doesn't work any more.

    Some vehicles were made for 3g, and can't go to 4g for example.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    2g antenna sare still up and running. Every new generation is add on top of the previous like a new layer of the network. And telemetry can be collected through older gen network.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not everywhere in the world. Australia have turned off 2g for instance.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    TIL. But why would you do that ? Ain't it more convenient to keep every gen ?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    We're a bit mad out here, we turned off CDMA in favour of 3G. The 3G system our main telco implemented was built for England and didn't have amps built into the specifications.

    Every site that was rolled out in regional areas needed to be attended to and upgraded with amplifiers (I know as I was one of such techs) doing heaps more work during the changeover period.

    I believe the main reason is to reduce the volume of channels being broadcast on, to free up for other services (our analogue TV is turned off too).

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    Maybe it really is time for the Free Open Source Vehicle.

    Sure, but what it is for certain time for is making this sort of spying and tracking illegal. If I as a private citizen tracked someone this much, it would be considered stalking, which is a criminal offense.

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  • [+] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I mean sort of. What is "base" has also changed.

    Try finding an EV that doesn't have automatic windows but has old school manual rollup/rolldown windows. You can't, even though its more environmentally friendly.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    I’m sorry but roll windows are awful and I’ve personally seen people nearly get in accidents because they’re focused on rolling the window instead of the road.

    I am willing to bet A LOT that the energy consumption of the small window servo is trivial on the ev’s battery and is a worthwhile expenditure so that the already incompetent drivers aren’t engaging in a physical task while driving down the highway.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    With a button you just press it to close the windows for a short stint of faster driving where having the windows down is uncomfortable. With a flange you'd probably be more inclined to leave them open because of the effort required to close them while driving. I think having your windows open even for a few short drives leads to more energy usage by increased drag than the window servo uses in the whole cars' lifetime. So I don't think it is any more environmentally friendly.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm sure !fuck_cars@lemmy.ml would be happy to welcome you if you decided to go with buses.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    That community completely ignores reality for millions billions of people that absolutely need a car to live a life in the thousands of cities that don't have adequate public transportation and 100% of the rural areas in the world.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Multiple billions no. There's 1.4 billion cars after a casual google, and considering how many people have cars as a convenience or multiple cars I think it might be closer to a single billion people need cars.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I miss my old 1999 Grand Marquis. Plenty of power, stupid easy to work on, rode like a dream, no tech bullshit. Fuel mileage was pretty crappy (owing to the V8 and curb weight) but it was a solid car. I largely drive cars until the die (did with that one too) and am thinking forward I may do the same and try to find older vehicles.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Man I would loooooove to find an old like 95 Regal. Totally a grandpa car, but all the freaking amenities, better cushioning than your couch, leg room, bench seat half the time, a V8 that can't dump power and you can hold like 5 half racks under the hood if you needed too (tho pls don't) there's so much room.

    Not a knuckle of blood anywhere to be found.

    One thing I love about older cars from Detroit, definitely not the gas mileage but I can keep my spare fluids in the engine compartment lol

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