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I just want to say that I'm so happy that people are taking notice of privacy concerns in cars (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 years ago by MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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Mozilla released their studies, and I'm seeing a growing number of posts on the Internet about cars and the privacy nightmare they entail. I remember how this issue wasn't talked about earlier because "just buy an older car" was still prevalent. I'm so happy that people are taking notice. Thank you to this community and Mozilla for the work they are putting in!

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[–] dingus@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I mean sort of. What is "base" has also changed.

Try finding an EV that doesn't have automatic windows but has old school manual rollup/rolldown windows. You can't, even though its more environmentally friendly.

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[–] Limeey@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I’m sorry but roll windows are awful and I’ve personally seen people nearly get in accidents because they’re focused on rolling the window instead of the road.

I am willing to bet A LOT that the energy consumption of the small window servo is trivial on the ev’s battery and is a worthwhile expenditure so that the already incompetent drivers aren’t engaging in a physical task while driving down the highway.

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[–] BruceLee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Before every car had electrical windows, they was car with electric for the front seats but not the back. It's a nice compromise.

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[–] kadotux@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I've definitely fiddled more on finding the damn switch to roll the windows than manually rolling them down. Goddamn switch is always in a different place.

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[–] Limeey@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

That's absurd. You must have many other issues if finding a button that is nearly guaranteed to be in basically the same spot across all cars is so difficult.

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[–] kadotux@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago

I actually have :D But seriously, alright then. Maybe it's just me.

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[+] dingus@lemmy.ml -6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

I mean, that has a lot more to do with trying to multitask on the freeway than it does the windows. I've seen people fiddling with their phones or the touchscreens in their car just as badly.

That's an issue of an unwillingness to plan ahead and focus on driving, not the windows themselves.

I'm definitely not a fan of treating everyone like a baby who needs coddling because some people can't be fucked to do better. Aww poor babies need power windows so they can drive without distraction!

Telling me I can't have manual roll windows because some people are fucking idiots is a joke.

When someone slams their car into mine on the freeway because they were dicking around with their phone, I'll make sure to blame the phone for existing.

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[–] WoodenBleachers@lemmy.basedcount.com 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

You’re diverting the argument. A power window can not be more environmentally friendly in any meaningful way

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[–] dingus@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago

I think maybe you responded to the wrong person, because that was kind of my point.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

If you can't roll up a window and drive in a straight line on the freeway, then you shouldn't have a driver's license.

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[–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 4 points 2 years ago

Yikes. So according to you, I can know if I'm going to be hot or cold at any given time and just need to plan for it. Weird, stupid, false. 1) the power needed to roll a window up/down is practically nil and 2) distractions happen, stop being so goddamned high and mighty. This is a dumbass argument that has nothing to do with people texting or any of this other shit you're trying to equate to it.

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[–] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

The extraction and refining of the copper ore needed for the motor, which has brushes (so a finite lifespan) but is also sealed without any way to replace those brushes (not to mention the hassle of getting into the door . I don't think I've ever done it, on dozens and dozens of doors, without breaking clips), so they're manufactured essentially as a throw away item, the opposite of sustainability.

Manual windows are easy, take no thought and if the window falls off track, you just get into the door and bend the track back into shape. Anyone can do it. You just got to open it up, roll it up and down a couple times to understand how it works and literally anyone can figure out their fix then. And at a cost of a few door clips, not an EXTREMELY overpriced $100+ for a 12v motor.

I don't like buying guaranteed points of failure in my purchases when I don't have too, that's all I'm saying.

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[–] dingus@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So say it to the guy who is arguing that? I've had two responses to my post act like I'm arguing for power windows when I'm aruing against them. I don't understand why I'm getting downvoted while I have two people who have been upvoted who fucking agree with me.

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[–] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I'm backing you up homie, not arguing with you. You've got my upvotes

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[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

Sorry, misunderstanding on my part, thanks bud.

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[–] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

That person arguing manuals are unsafe, holy.freaking.cow.

That is a serious leap and some nanny state level opinion on personal agency and responsibility.

People get used too what they have, I get that.

A personal example for the readers, I was Indonesia visiting a gf's family and rented a couple cars to get us all across one of the islands. Gf's Aunt was driving the other car, I had the other. I had to turn around and trade cars with her because she couldn't fathom driving an automatic and need the stick shift I was driving. Blew my mind, but I acquiesced all the same. Driving sick from the right side was hella awkward for me anyways, not impossible, just not any kind of sexy driving on my part.

Rolling down a window is as much a distraction as drinking from a bottle of soda. If you can't handle that behind a wheel, maybe you should reconsider being behind a wheel in its entirety.

Some people, I don't get it

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[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago

I mean, it's hard to be angry about it. It's so absurd, you kind of just have to laugh. That people are so addicted to creature comforts that they'll make contorted arguments just to justify their continued use of them.

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[+] gowan@reddthat.com 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[–] Limeey@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

This is a stupid take. You're telling me that you expect car manufacturers incorporate manufacturing techniques that apply to your small niche that is also demonstrably less safe? And for what, "Privacy" reasons?

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[–] Rev3rze@lemdit.com 1 point 2 years ago

With a button you just press it to close the windows for a short stint of faster driving where having the windows down is uncomfortable. With a flange you'd probably be more inclined to leave them open because of the effort required to close them while driving. I think having your windows open even for a few short drives leads to more energy usage by increased drag than the window servo uses in the whole cars' lifetime. So I don't think it is any more environmentally friendly.

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