They're really coming for him over this. Also please see things like this as a great example of divisions within the bourgeois. Musk is more international finance leaning whereas the thought in the US is controlled by the industrial aka military/defense/intelligence types.

Because proles are proles and you may be racist enough to think your western lives are worth more but when it comes right down to it, to the bourgeoisie who rule the west consider all proletariat as expendable by their nature for profit or in this case for offense and defense of their empires.

Rome once seemed invincible too and yet look what now remains.

The challenges are great. The blood spilled will be enormous in the thrashing dying of the beast. But it will fall. Look at how Russia stands against them and realize it is the blossoming of hope. That eyes of billions look at Russia and see in their stand hope for their own shackles to Europe and their American masters. Their order is weaker now than it has been at any time since they ascended at the end of the second world war. It is crumbling. And while it is not a foregone conclusion they've made serious blunders and we are now deep in the game.

Let fear be for the enemy. Don't let the confident demeanor fool you. The arch imperialists and bourgeoisie of the west are terrified and it gets worse every day. It expresses itself in petty outbursts. Some of their actions are slow because of control and plotting yes, others however are now slow because of uncertainty, their hands faltering above the chess-board, trembling because they're no longer certain their old move-set will work this time and it's all they have.

He's broadly anti-decoupling with China to my knowledge. Somewhat willing to say good things about China. I mean he see's Chinese things like Ali-pay/WeChat and wants to emulate them. Being against escalation against Russia is also good actually.

He's like Trump and I'm honestly not sure how people here are not getting that was what I was saying. I mean I'm not going to trip over myself to disown him anymore than I have already. I shouldn't have to because there should be some critical thought given.

Do you have any evidence he is a hawk? Of the variety who would advocate using nuclear weapons or something to avoid giving up US hegemony (as many of the more silent bourgeoisie who control the US government and defense contractors would tend to be) as opposed to a self-serving but also self-defeating capitalist who can't stop gorging himself off the profit potential of staying linked with China. I mean I hope he and others like him are like that and continue to exist. I guess as an ML I can't help but be a bit optimistic that some of the bourgeoisie are selling us rope even in this day and age.

I mean there are degrees here. I don't know if wandering liberals have downvoted me or what but I think what I said speaks for itself and honestly I don't like Musk, so I'm not really going to compile a list of "why communists should think this guy is useful", it's just not worth my time and it was just musing. It was my hot-take. I don't believe it to be incorrect, no one has really hit me with anything that changes my view.

Admittedly I did forget that but it doesn't change the larger picture. Also I really doubt he instigated that incident. He's just a loud-mouth.

Look, he's not a friend. But he's like Trump, says things and takes positions strangely contrary to the hawks /at times/. Besides that his fan-boys go nuts and have melt-downs over this so it's all very amusing. If you think he's the worst because he's a loudmouth you're objectively not paying attention and you are a liberal and there's no quibbling over that because that's not material analysis.

Come to think of it, he kind of resembles Trump in another way, he has this huge ego and interest in building a brand off his name, not directly like Trump but he does things like sell himself, get himself in Star Trek episodes, goes out of his way to get others to stroke his ego, has a craving for being seen as very smart, very capable, a genius.

I don't get why people here are losing their minds over my saying that maybe uh he's useful in certain ways and I enjoy him not shutting up and being a quiet bourgeoisie. If anything his talking continues to do a lot to ruin his own efforts.

He seems pro-China. This isn't because he's a good person but that doesn't matter.

People will critically support Iran despite the fact they execute communists, homosexuals, and disobedient women yet I say this Musk fool has his utilities and it's nice he's saying this and pushing these things and people lose their damn minds as If I'm fan-girling for him instead of simply making observations that he's taking positions that while probably born out of self-interest and his own pompous arrogance are good actually. Some bourgeoisie are liable to at times sell us large quantities of ropes not because they want us to use them but because it lets them profit.

But this thread seems like it's been brigaded by liberals so whatever.

He’s arrogant and childish and petty which hinders him. He’s also a reactionary but his selfish pettiness so far has done some interesting things in sabotaging the evil empire.

As to getting people killed. What the fuck does that mean? You sound like a fed crowing on about the dangers of subversive thinking and commies getting people killed.

The US is grinding Ukraine’s population to grist and ironically Musk was one of the few prominent people who said that was bad, they weren’t going to win and it was pointless and dangerous to continue. All true.

I know, I know. No one must insult the nazi fascist Ukraine regime and it’s American cheered genocide of its own people for western arms manufacturer profits.

Looks like Apple should have lobbied the US government harder to play fair, allow Chinese phones like Huawei access to chips and markets according to their own professed preference for "free markets". Oh well, fuck around and find out.

^Least fascist, most freedom espousing liberal when poked only a little.

Adventurism is not a solution. The feds, the fossil fuel industry in fact invite it. It makes it easier for them to paint the whole movement as violent, dangerous, to crack down on even peaceful types, to surveil them, to get overtime bonuses, to arrest, infiltrate, subvert, etc. To slap the whole thing with a domestic terrorism label and charge anyone near a protest. Send in fed agitators who commit violent acts, charge anyone present near them as accomplices, throw them away for a long time, repeat until it's broken up.

The problem is the widespread apathy and resignation of people. The capitalist system is not going to change it yet the people refuse to change the capitalist system. It's not an immediate danger, it's hard to understand, hypothetical. It feels hotter but by the time it becomes truly unbearable for the comfortable middle class even militant action won't reverse it and there will be a feeling of defeat and hopelessness.

Sabotage might slow them down a little but honestly the types of prison sentences people who do it face and the drop in the bucket impact it really has means even just advocating and getting an increase of taxes or costs passed onto people for use of fossil fuel is likely to be more effective in decreasing consumption and carbon emissions than sabotage. Because sabotage drives up prices too and they're happy to pass costs onto the average proletarian. It's like how refineries in California all mysteriously have problems around the same times together and prices go up.

Fundamentally it's a problem of living under a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie who themselves don't care about climate change or may even welcome it for darker plans they have for humanity. Government is the one that can resolve this problem. What could actually change it would be militant labor organizing. If we could somehow organize strikes on big industries and shut the economy down, you could force the politicians to pass laws to ameliorate the worst aspects of climate change and carbon emissions, you couldn't fix the problem or address it systemically like with proletarian rule but it would be something.

The sad thing is all these whiplash fast reversals of propaganda still have no meaningful impact on the western propagandized mind. They don't notice despite being months apart, the contradictions never reach them. They just go from one thing to the next, from smirking to seething without beginning to question whether hmm maybe the media is lying to them. It's just incredible. Because it used to be a process that took years from falsehood to truth reveal. Incredible and incredibly saddening too.

Trafficking is such a strong word but if the Cubans say so, guess those Wagner guys did an oopsie.