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[–] 94 points 2 years ago (4 children)

China won't be pleased about that. They were predicted to control a third of the world's lithium within the next few years.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Wdym? the company who owns the mine is owned by a chinese company lol. Thacker Pass Lithium Mine - Wikipedia Lithium Nevada, LLC - a wholly owned subsidiary of Lithium Americas Corp, whose largest shareholder is the world's largest lithium mining company, Chinese Ganfeng Lithium.

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  • [–] 61 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    America about to go to war against a volcano

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Better than exploiting other countries, I suppose. But I think Lithium is a transitional battery source, and that we will move to much more efficient designs within a decade.

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  • [–] 86 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Not a chance.

    Right now we’re using lithium-ion. In maybe a decade we’ll move to lithium-sulphide, and in perhaps 25 years we might see lithium-oxygen.

    Either way, lithium is all you’ll see in commercially viable batteries for the next 50 years because lithium as an anode is as good as it gets on the Table of Elements.

    Yes, you’ll see 100 reports per year about new battery tech but none of them will ever be scalable, safe enough, or cheap enough.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I mean, this kinda only applies to devices that need the highest energy density.

    For situations where space isn't much of an issue, it can make more sense to use other forms of batteries that are cheaper per MWh. I agree Li-ion won't be replaced in phones etc. but for some applications that are stationary, it can make commercial sense to use something else.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You mean I won't be running my car off bacteria?!

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    [–] 33 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The volcanic crater is found along the Nevada-Oregon border.

    The Lithium Americas Corporation “expects to begin mining in 2026. It will remove clay with water and then separate out the small lithium-bearing grains from larger minerals by centrifuging. The clay will then be leached in vats of sulfuric acid to extract lithium.”

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  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    All subsequent waste products will then be released into local waterways via "unfortunate accident" on a regular schedule, to maximize shareholder profits.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sigh.

    Sulfuric acid is one of the few chemicals that is bad to have around and can be controlled. The very first wet scrubbers to be designed (per WW2 tech here) were for dealing with it. Add water plus a calcium base like Diatomaceous earth and you get harmless sulfur-calcium salts. There are almost no local waterways and mining is very regulated.

    Maybe be happy for once that more mining will be happening in a country that bothers to regulate environmental stuff and is closer to the consumer market.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I legitimately am, this is a win, especially since the deposit is in an entirely different economic and political sphere of influence from where all the other lithium is.

    It's just so easy to assume the worst when it happens so often.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    It doesn't happen often. You hear about it happening often. Observation bias. No one reads an article "everything fine at the mine". No, they read an article about a disaster from the 1970s caused by a scumbag.

    A lot of freaken work and regulations has gone into make sure chemical plants don't explode and mining doesn't mess things up for decades. And no one gets credit for that. Any site this big is going to have at least monthly inspections there from the local DEP. Taking soil samples, reviewing logs, checking for the very things you mentioned like getting into waterways. Which again, desert.

    The biggest environmental dangers I am betting they are going to have is a fight over city water and of course the normal greenhouse gas emissions that all of us are going to ignore.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Now all they need is some poor immigrants to work on extracting it and they can make fat stacks

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Someone using the in game editor?

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    There's also 32 million metric tons in Niland, California that can be harvested with green energy. I assume the same could be done with this deposit. Could be very good for domestic battery production and cost.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Something else we won't benefit from. Nice. Uh. Go us.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It could lead to more affordable Li-ion batteries.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It means we don't have to go to the Congo or through Russia, China, or others anymore. Which is a pretty big political relief because it means that we have a little bit more resource independence.

    Maybe even a way we could compete on the global market if we play our cards right.

    If they're smart, they'll use it to beef up our power grid for the global warming shock.

    Unfortunately, I imagine @poopa_mo is right, and this is just going to beef up someone's bank account. Or rot in a warehouse.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Most Lithium comes from South America and Australia and has for some time. I do not believe that Lithium has ever had the geopolitical issues that other rare earth metals such as cobalt have had.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Yeah, the difference between lithium and oil is that oil is a consumable. If the price of oil goes up, that has an instant effect on energy/transportation costs. If the price of lithium goes up, it'll only affect the price of new batteries, and anything that's already in use is unaffected. It'll slow down investments in new projects, people might delay the purchase of a new car, etc, but it's a way smaller economic impact.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    There's no good reason to use lithium for utility-scale power storage. We need it for transportation because it has the best power compared to its weight. Utility storage doesn't care as much about weight, and there are plenty of better options.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    If this works out and is feasible it would be something of a game changer and would weaken some of our international dependencies

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Awesome. Now leave it there and don't let anyone touch it 😁

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