In the wake of a Chinese doping scandal, Michael Phelps doubled down Monday on his support for tougher sanctions — including a lifetime ban for anyone who tests positive for a banned substance.

“If you test positive, you should never be allowed to come back and compete again, cut and dry,” Phelps said. “I believe one and done.”

The World Anti-Doping Agency and World Aquatics have acknowledged that 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for a banned substance ahead of the Tokyo Olympics. The results were not made public until media reports surfaced this year, with both bodies accepting the Chinese explanation that the positive tests were caused by tainted food.

Nine of those swimmers won medals - several as part of relay teams - n Paris, leading British star Adam Peaty to gripe that the playing field was not even.

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[–] 81 points 2 years ago (3 children)

While interesting, I'm not convinced it would stop pressure from an athlete's home country. Just increases the personal conflict against those pressures.

Consider a 4 year ban for the country instead. Make it a serious offense.

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  • [+] 52 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I would. Well not against the individual athletes but against their country of origin. Countries screening would need to be better than the IOC ones or en par.

    The basic framing is: "your boss fucked up, you're part of the fallout".

    An alternative would be to allow all doping.

    But at the moment the approach is to reward the smartest cheaters and at least for me removed all interest for most sport events.

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  • [–] 66 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    While we're over-hauling doping punishments, we have to confront the deeply broken doping testing system and widespread contaminations of many foods and medications. The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and its country-level entities (UKADA, USADA, etc.) don't like to talk about how laughably bad their systems are, and how often the pop false positives. It wasn't as well known until cyclist Lizzy Banks challenged a false positive last year and spent €40,000 in legal fees and testing fees to get a "no fault or negligence" ruling. And that wouldn't have been possible at all if Banks didn't have a medical background (she went pro just before finishing a medical degree) and was able to read the faulty reports herself and challenge the claims of UKADA. Thanks to her, we now know that WAY more common foods and over-the-counter medications have contaminations with banned substances, which produces positive results with trace-amounts of banned substances.

    https://www.cyclingweekly.com/racing/i-felt-that-my-life-was-over-british-rider-reveals-nine-month-anti-doping-nightmare

    I'm all for cracking down on dopers and cheaters, so long as we fix the system so it doesn't create false-positives.

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  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not only should they get a lifetime ban, but every athlete should be tested 100% of the time. There is no reason why something as huge and prestigious as the Olympics, with the kind of money it brings in, should not be doing this.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    Also randomly along the year when they are training and having to tell exacty where they are at all times (so no hiding away doping & flushing them out) , as cyclists are.

    Cyclism went so bad but now they're tested really hard and often.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    What was that videogame, where if they caught you hacking, they wouldn't ban you, they'd just put you in lobbies with other hackers?

    Imagine having an olympics where all the caught dopers compete against each other.

    But they'd probably, like, die or some shit. I'll have to rethink this when I'm in my morning zone.

    Northern Lights is a great strain yall

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I don't care about the Olympics themselves (I think they're important, I am just not personally interested in catching more than highlights), but I would watch the shit out of the Dope Olympics. Dude on steroids and cocaine throwing a javelin ten miles? I'd pay to watch that.

    Of course I'd also watch the Pitch-O-Mat 5000 fire balls at Wireless Joe Jackson, so I'm not anyone's target audience except possibly Futurama's from 20-odd years ago.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    What was that videogame, where if they caught you hacking, they wouldn't ban you, they'd just put you in lobbies with other hackers?

    Many games do that but GTA is easily the most popular/famous to do so. Though it hasn't done that in a long, long time, that is how it worked at launch. You also got a little dunce hat, so you knew you fucked up.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    It would be highly unethical, but I do wonder how much faster you could go if you were allowed to take absolutely anything.

    See somebody run 100m in 8 seconds before their heart explodes. Watch a man lift a whole car before he shits his entire digestive system out of his body.

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    [–] 34 points 2 years ago

    Fine and well, but coming from a gear-doping genetic freak created in a lab run by fish...

    I don't really have an end to that, I just wanted to call him a gear-doping genetic freak created in a lab run by fish.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    I believe in the Sun Tzu method. You are allowed to fuck up once. Fuck up again, off with the head (well, or a lifetime ban in this case). One and done would ruin too many careers with false positives or people that made a youthful fuck up.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Not that I think it should be, but isn't cannabis a banned substance? If so, doesn't that apply to him?

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Isn’t the idea of banning doping in the Olympics to deal with people using banned substances while actively competing? That is to say, even though Phelps uses weed, has he tested positive during an active competition for being on weed (or any other substance)?

    What competitors do in their off time is fine as far as I’m concerned. But if they’re using right before or during actively competing, then I can see where it’s a problem. No?

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Y'all know that doping usually refers to performance enhancing drugs right?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sort of... CBD isn't, and anyway I imagine the exclusion of cannabis won't be around much longer. There are many studies that show it has no impact on athletic performance.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    CBD was unfortunately on the ban list when he got in trouble. It was only just removed a decade later in 2019.

    It's also one of the few chemicals in cannabis that can affect performance, unlike THC which just bugs me. Like they are almost picking and choosing, purely to just be finicky

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This sports stuff is expensive and controversial. Just ban sports competition. Solves the drugs shit and the trans stuff.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    Its russian medicine not doping /s

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Absolutely. Yes.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ehhhh I think there might be place for a little more subtlety. Someone who's admitted to doing so probably doesn't deserve to be banned from participating in a sport they probably love. And a hard line might encourage people to take the denial till death approach which can make things annoying

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