The brazen appearance of white supremacist groups in Nashville left the city grappling with how to confront hateful speech without violating First Amendment protections.

They first arrived at the beginning of July: dozens of masked white supremacists, shuffling out of U-Hauls, to march through Nashville carrying upside-down American flags.

A week later, members of a separate neo-Nazi group, waving giant black flags with red swastikas, paraded along the city’s famed strip of honky-tonks and celebrity-owned bars. The neo-Nazis poured into the historic Metro courthouse to disrupt a City Council meeting, harassed descendants of Holocaust survivors and yelled racist slurs at young Black children performing on a downtown street.

The appearance of white nationalists on the streets of a major American city laid bare the growing brazenness of the two groups, the Patriot Front and the Goyim Defense League. Their provocations enraged and alarmed civic leaders and residents in Nashville, causing the city to grapple with how to confront the groups without violating free speech protections.

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[–] 136 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you punch a nazi, and you get two friends to punch a nazi and then they get two friends to punch nazis, before you know it, everyone is punching nazis.

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  • [–] 92 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Make the world a better place

    Punch a Nazi in the face

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    My ex worked at a local screen printing shop, and I hung out there a lot and made some cash during big orders. I went to the owner with a simple "punch more nazis" design I made stoned, half jokingly asked him to burn the design so my ex could print it for me.

    It was the business version of that genie "thats dope you still have 3 wishes" meme - "yea I'll burn it in the morning you know where the extras (leftover unused shirts) are 🤷‍♂️"

    We never got along super well but we knew where we agreed lmao

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  • [–] 80 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The brazen appearance of white supremacist groups in Nashville left the city grappling with how to confront hateful speech without violating First Amendment protections.

    The neo-Nazis poured into the historic Metro courthouse to disrupt a City Council meeting,

    Arrest. Them. Holy shit, that's something that in any reasonably sized city would be worth at least a night in jail to cool off, even if you were some fucking normie instead of a neonazi fuck. It's not that fucking hard.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Arrest them for what exactly? Is disrupting a city council meeting anything but a civil infraction?

    I don't want this sort of thing going on, but what law would justify jail time?

    I mean maybe they did do something to justify it, but I don't know that disrupting a city council meeting should land people in jail. People also disrupt city council meetings when they try to pass anti-queer ordinances. And they should.

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  • [–] 69 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Arrest them for what exactly? Is disrupting a city council meeting anything but a civil infraction?

    Criminal trespass, easy. Fuck, that's levied all the time as a club against left-wing protesters. Yet when actual neonazis show up, they get nothing? Fuck that.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I think the answer to that is not 'also arrest the Nazis,' it's 'don't arrest the left-wing protesters either.'

    Balancing the scales doesn't solve the problem.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (37 children)

    Balancing the scales doesn’t solve the problem.

    And neither does playing by the gentleman's rules of boxing when your opponent is using brass knuckles. Fucking "They go low, we go high"? Did we not learn our lesson? If a weapon is used, the correct answer is to make the opposition see why that weapon was banned in the first place - it's the same reason why many signatories of the Geneva Protocol allow for retaliation if chemical weapons are used against them.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Balancing the scales doesn’t solve the problem.

    Good point: the correct answer is, don't treat them equally, because they don't act equally. What we should be doing is exactly the opposite of what we are doing: fucking-up the NAZIs while leaving the left-wing protestors alone.

    This is not hypocrisy, by the way. This is a simple application of consequences: those who do not respect the social contract do not deserve to be protected by it.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Both you and @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world are arguing the same point. The only difference is @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world wants nobody arrested and you want to also arrest the Nazis.

    First of all ACAB let it be known. However I think it's more likely to get a local city council to allow for anyone using intimidating imagery, (defined by swastika and similar iconography) to be detained and removed from chambers. It's been done elsewhere with great effect.

    The issue is how to get it enforced because unfortunately, those that burn crosses are the same that join forces.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/long-painful-history-police-brutality-in-the-us-180964098/

    https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/54960/public-display-of-swastika-in-the-us

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/germanys-laws-antisemitic-hate-speech-nazi-propaganda-holocaust-denial/

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  • [–] 67 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Treat them like our American predecessors did. If they're wearing swastikas then shoot the fuckers.

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    [–] 65 points 2 years ago

    For starters, it can not arrest the bartender that punched a nazi after that nazi started a fight.

    https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville/dont-just-stand-by-man-recounts-being-hit-by-neo-nazi-protesters/

    My dude didn't deserve to be arrested, he deserved to drink for free throughout Lower Broadway!

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  • [–] 50 points 2 years ago

    Yeah, I don't give a flying fuck about a Nazi's First Amendment rights, just like they don't give a flying fuck about anyone else's rights.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago

    Jake and Elwood knew how to handle it.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Arrest them for an unlawful assembly like they do to everyone else they don't want marching.

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago

    Gather up all of your neighbors and go punch some Nazi trash.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The greatest generation knew how to deal with Nazis. Flamethrowers, bombs, artillery & bayonets. That's all the conversation needed.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    No, no, you see, war is bad, therefore, we should take the high road and let the Nazis slaughter us while we lodge diplomatic complaints at the UN in the hope of getting them to stop, eventually, someday. /s

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  • [+] 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)
  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Point.

    Laugh.

    Call them "weird".

    Make them realize how unpopular they really are.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Laugh at and ridicule them. Make it very clear that you aren't scared of them and that they're rejects of society who amount to nothing. Take away their sense of power and they'll leave. It's worked in the past on several occasions.

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    There was a Nazi rally/anti-protest in my city like a year or so ago and all the LGBTQ+ people (including my sister and I) showed up to protest their bullshit with 3 times as many people and shut that shit down hard.

    But it still pisses me off the city allowed those pricks to even gather in the first place.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Why are you asking questions the mods won't let me answer?

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    In 1943-45, you just shot them.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I vote snipers.

    Aim for the hoods.

    This is why I don't get to run a town, but I stand by my opinion here.

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Reload when it goes "click".

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    This is a good start: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r_UP_EiXwKA

    May I also suggest setting up rotten vegetable stands at the farmer's markets?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    They are being disruptive in a way that isn't kind; arrests would be the best way to deal with them. They are white nationalists, shouting slurs at black people who are fellow citizens in the USA, we should not let them believe this behavior will go unpunished. It will make it worse in the future, enabling hate groups to thrive is something a sane country should never allow.

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    There are several amendments for that

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    turn a blind eye to the black bloc stalking them

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