The brazen appearance of white supremacist groups in Nashville left the city grappling with how to confront hateful speech without violating First Amendment protections.

They first arrived at the beginning of July: dozens of masked white supremacists, shuffling out of U-Hauls, to march through Nashville carrying upside-down American flags.

A week later, members of a separate neo-Nazi group, waving giant black flags with red swastikas, paraded along the city’s famed strip of honky-tonks and celebrity-owned bars. The neo-Nazis poured into the historic Metro courthouse to disrupt a City Council meeting, harassed descendants of Holocaust survivors and yelled racist slurs at young Black children performing on a downtown street.

The appearance of white nationalists on the streets of a major American city laid bare the growing brazenness of the two groups, the Patriot Front and the Goyim Defense League. Their provocations enraged and alarmed civic leaders and residents in Nashville, causing the city to grapple with how to confront the groups without violating free speech protections.

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[–] 80 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The brazen appearance of white supremacist groups in Nashville left the city grappling with how to confront hateful speech without violating First Amendment protections.

The neo-Nazis poured into the historic Metro courthouse to disrupt a City Council meeting,

Arrest. Them. Holy shit, that's something that in any reasonably sized city would be worth at least a night in jail to cool off, even if you were some fucking normie instead of a neonazi fuck. It's not that fucking hard.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Arrest them for what exactly? Is disrupting a city council meeting anything but a civil infraction?

    I don't want this sort of thing going on, but what law would justify jail time?

    I mean maybe they did do something to justify it, but I don't know that disrupting a city council meeting should land people in jail. People also disrupt city council meetings when they try to pass anti-queer ordinances. And they should.

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  • [–] 69 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Arrest them for what exactly? Is disrupting a city council meeting anything but a civil infraction?

    Criminal trespass, easy. Fuck, that's levied all the time as a club against left-wing protesters. Yet when actual neonazis show up, they get nothing? Fuck that.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Criminal trespass...

    Most city council meetings are legally open to the public. It is in fact their main purpose.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I think the answer to that is not 'also arrest the Nazis,' it's 'don't arrest the left-wing protesters either.'

    Balancing the scales doesn't solve the problem.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (37 children)

    Balancing the scales doesn’t solve the problem.

    And neither does playing by the gentleman's rules of boxing when your opponent is using brass knuckles. Fucking "They go low, we go high"? Did we not learn our lesson? If a weapon is used, the correct answer is to make the opposition see why that weapon was banned in the first place - it's the same reason why many signatories of the Geneva Protocol allow for retaliation if chemical weapons are used against them.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Balancing the scales doesn’t solve the problem.

    Good point: the correct answer is, don't treat them equally, because they don't act equally. What we should be doing is exactly the opposite of what we are doing: fucking-up the NAZIs while leaving the left-wing protestors alone.

    This is not hypocrisy, by the way. This is a simple application of consequences: those who do not respect the social contract do not deserve to be protected by it.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Arrest any and all groups that storm in and disrupt government functions, simple as that

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Which means that people in the government can argue that virtually anything the government does is a "government function." Mayor's press conference? Government function. Better arrest those protesters. Governor's mansion? It has public tours. That's a government function. Better arrest those protestors.

    Look what happened without that law when a president wanted a photo op with a Bible in front of a church. And you want to make that even easier?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Both you and @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world are arguing the same point. The only difference is @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world wants nobody arrested and you want to also arrest the Nazis.

    First of all ACAB let it be known. However I think it's more likely to get a local city council to allow for anyone using intimidating imagery, (defined by swastika and similar iconography) to be detained and removed from chambers. It's been done elsewhere with great effect.

    The issue is how to get it enforced because unfortunately, those that burn crosses are the same that join forces.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/long-painful-history-police-brutality-in-the-us-180964098/

    https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/54960/public-display-of-swastika-in-the-us

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/germanys-laws-antisemitic-hate-speech-nazi-propaganda-holocaust-denial/

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