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Why is the government targeting incels? (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world
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You may have heard of the “Countering Violent Extremism” program under DHS.

They’ve deployed the tactics used to fight terrorists against domestic citizens. For example, incels. When I posted on the web forum incels dot is, I didn’t know it was Department of Homeland Security operation against men who say they are romantically deprived. I didn’t know I was interacting with larping feds who encourage extremist rhetoric. Consequently I was put on a watchlist and am subject to intrusive monitoring.

I share a lot of my experience here.

https://twitter.com/WrongedIncel

My question is, is it far that the government is so targeting incels?

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[–] 46 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Blaming others for all your problems is a strong risk factor for doing violence to others. Grow up, get a fucking grip, and you'll be fine.

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    [–] 43 points 2 years ago

    God help us, a fucking incel feels victimized

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    [–] 33 points 2 years ago (34 children)

    Have you LOOKED at the recent shooters?

    https://www.npr.org/2023/08/26/1196195934/jacksonville-florida-dollar-store-shooting

    White male, early 20s, lives with mom and dad, writing manifestos... Why SHOULDN'T the authorities be looking at incels?

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Get help man

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    Thoughts and prayers!

    • a trans person
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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yikes dude

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    [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    edit: added archive link

    They target a lot of groups.

    They target "lone-actors", most likely due to asocial behavior and more extreme view points.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20210325054915/https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/OPSR_TP_TEVUS_Comparing-Lone-Actor-Terrorism_Hate-Crimes_Group-Terrorism_2013-508.pdf

    Direct Link: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/OPSR_TP_TEVUS_Comparing-Lone-Actor-Terrorism_Hate-Crimes_Group-Terrorism_2013-508.pdf

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    [–] -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It’s not fair for the government to target anyone who hasn’t broken the law.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    I think it's a little fair to monitor groups that border on the edge of committing crimes to make sure they don't. If someone is going around saying they're going to kill people, even if they haven't, I'd keep a fucking eye on them.

    Considering how much rhetoric incels and well known terrorist groups share, it doesn't seem unreasonable why they are included on terrorist watch lists.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah, the FBI has caught bombers by monitoring them before the bombers were able to break the law.

    Secretely surveiled them right up until they dropped the duffel bag on the sidewalk.

    My memory isn't great right now, but I think I recall reading somewhere that they catch over a hundred would-be bombers a year.

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  • [+] [S] -8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It goes beyond secret surveillance though -- creepy enough as that is. If one were unaware of being surveilled that's one thing but they let you know so they can take credit for "prevention" even if that person wasn't going to do anything wrong. So essentially put in an open air prison without trial.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Ah... So that's what you're saying.

    Well I can believe it. The CIA once tried to murder Fidel Castro with, like, shaving cream or something one time. Our agencies can go back and forth from "we are a daunting, all-knowing panopticon" into "hi, we're the Keystone Cops" a dozen times in a weekend.

    If that's the case, and they're targeting someone who didn't even get in that deep, then: ouch. My condolences. I hope you if you really aren't a threat that they figure out they aren't needed anymore.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 2 years ago

    Yes but they defined a certain perspective as irredeemably linked to violence, even if that perspective is sociologically true. It's straight up repression. I'm not the one who mandated that the sexual revolution devolve into polygynous mating habits rendering many men partnerless.

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 2 years ago

    what does monitoring entail? it's one thing if the person is unaware of it but they also let the person know. that's putting them in prison without trial. also that incels = violent is charged up rhetoric meant to invalidate their perspective.

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