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Why is the government targeting incels? (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world
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You may have heard of the “Countering Violent Extremism” program under DHS.

They’ve deployed the tactics used to fight terrorists against domestic citizens. For example, incels. When I posted on the web forum incels dot is, I didn’t know it was Department of Homeland Security operation against men who say they are romantically deprived. I didn’t know I was interacting with larping feds who encourage extremist rhetoric. Consequently I was put on a watchlist and am subject to intrusive monitoring.

I share a lot of my experience here.

https://twitter.com/WrongedIncel

My question is, is it far that the government is so targeting incels?

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[–] 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Have you LOOKED at the recent shooters?

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/26/1196195934/jacksonville-florida-dollar-store-shooting

White male, early 20s, lives with mom and dad, writing manifestos... Why SHOULDN'T the authorities be looking at incels?

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  • [+] [S] -20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I lived by myself until feds harassed me from my secure job (back in early 2022) and then started subjecting me to sleep deprivation this year.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Friend, I recommend you consider visiting the hospital. There's a high chance you have an undiagnosed condition that they can help you with and make your life much easier. That you think the government is interfering with your sleep is a paranoid delusion, but it's very controllable.

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  • [+] [S] -21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
    1. I am under intrusive monitoring because I posted on forum incels.is (run by DHS.)
    2. I lived in apartment and feds rented the units next to and above me.
    3. This year they started engaging in sonic harassment (sleep denying irregular sounds) meant to keep me agitated and mentally exhausted, likely with view to mental decomposition so I end up hospitalized. People who get involuntarily hospitalized for mental health are deprived of 2nd amendment rights.
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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, I understand that you believe that and that I can't convince you otherwise. I am a nurse, however, and am assuring you that you will receive help for it at a hospital. It's not something I can help you with though.

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  • [+] [S] -22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    dissidents have often marked as crazy by governments. indeed, they often take a hand in driving that person crazy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but zersetzung was used against credible political targets. Not against some random guy that can't get laid.

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  • [+] [S] -14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm not a random guy who can't get laid. I spoke forthrightly about incel macro issues, got put on a watchlist, am subjected to intrusive monitoring and fed harassment (sleep deprivation, various other things) etc etc.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    In the end, you choose the route you'll take. My recommendation is to check yourself in to get help before you spiral into a real crisis. Government or not, if you can't sleep you're going to need to go somewhere for help eventually.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And how did they do that exactly?

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  • [+] [S] -10 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    They've shutdown all incel spaces across the web and worked with tech platforms like reddit to likewise ban incel spaces. They set up honeypot forums in their place operated by feds so ANY would be incel poster gets scrutinized. When the person ends up in that space and says something a fed doesn't like, they're immediately hacked and subject to NSA tools. I became aware of this when, a month or so after posting on incels.is, I started receiving "advice" based on content retrieved from my phone! It goes much further than that -- they use metrics to see what threads a reader (not even a user) clicks on and then hack that user. They are often surprised that so many of their readers clicking on violent-endorsing threads by the larping feds end up being women. 😆

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And how did that cause you to lose your job and sleep?

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  • [+] [S] -12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    explained upthread jackass

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)
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  • [+] [S] -9 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Considering the resources the government has, they can induce insomnia on an individual in order to get them labeled as schizo, and as I was (am) under intrusive monitoring that might've been just the intention so I end up hospitalized and deprived of 2nd amendment rights. Assholes. Indeed, from the FBI's "Making Prevention a Reality" report, they pretty much say they desire an individual get involuntarily committed solely to deprive them of 2nd amendment rights. That's very close to saying they'll undertake action to have that outcome.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That would be an incredibly bad idea as most people with insomnia do not have schizophrenia

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  • [+] [S] -7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    ...just the ones they want to drive to the madhouse.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    To be clear, you cannot be held without a judge's order even if you go in voluntarily. They will not keep you for long and based on your symptoms may not even admit you but instead give you resources to use after visiting the ER. I think you're in a good position to head in before a real crisis that will get you involuntarily committed.

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    For sure, but you can drive someone to insanity by depriving them of sleep. I say I am subject to intrusive monitoring. I realize that if I try to express this to normal everyday people, I will come off as schizo. On top of that to be going around sleepless -- a mental zombie -- is going to make me look crazier, and make everyone around me think I'm a loon. Maybe this leaves a "trail" of mental-health issue history that, should I snap in public or something, can be used to commit me.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    You will be told that you are having paranoid delusions by healthcare professionals. I am a healthcare professional and am telling you that. We don't expect you to believe us. But what I'm also telling you is that not matter what, you know that you are heading to a crisis without any sleep. Not believing me about that, or other professionals about that, doesn't change the fact that you need help with what you're experiencing. As far as a record goes, a judge decides if you are an ACTIVE threat. Past doesn't matter for that, unless you have a past history of being violent. Being delusional is NOT an active threat.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm not having paranoid delusions. This was my experience: I posted on the web forum incels.is -- run by DHS -- and have since been subject to intrusive monitoring which escalated into direct fed harassment of me in various ways. Part of this "intrusive monitoring" entails monitoring of my communications and online activity. Hence it's not out of the realm of possibility that some of the people here eager to label my claims as paranoid/delusional are feds...

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But that's more work than they need to do to discredit or lock someone up. It makes no sense for them to do that to you. It's much more likely you have a health condition.

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  • [+] [S] -7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    but they did and it happened. also incels.is = dhs. incels are subject to political repression.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Please at least consider getting mental health just in case you're wrong

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Bro they broke into my apartment and replaced my prozac with super-depression inducing crap. I took a few of the pills and fell into super depression. Then they started teasing me on reddit "does he notice? does he notice?" etc etc. The pills were colored differently. Not sure what their purpose was. Plus if I see a therapist they'll be privy to what I say (under the 9/11 bill they can pull your records.)

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    None of that makes any sense though. To what end would they put all all of this time and effort into? How could the government be so incompetent yet so powerful at the same time?

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