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[–] 157 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Good, stop using Discord to host your shit

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  • [–] 90 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Especially Open Source stuff.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I genuinely don't understand why some open source communities rely so heavily on Discord.

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    [–] 113 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Walled garden platforms doing what walled garden platforms do I suppose...

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    This has nothing to do with being a walled platform. All these maintainers of all these lemmy servers would have to do the exact same thing if Nintendo came to them. And if they refused then Nintendo could go to the server host. And if that didn’t work you would end up in court. It has nothing to do with walled gardens and everything to do with Nintendo abusing dmca.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It does have to do with being a walled platform though. You as the Discord server owner have zero control over whether or not you are taken down. If this was Lemmy or a Discourse server (to go with something a little closer to walled garden) that they ran, the hosting provider or a court would have to take them down. Even then the hosting provider wouldn’t be a huge deal since you could just restore backup to a new one Pirate Bay style. Hell, depending on whether or not the devs are anonymous (probably not if they used Discord), they could just move the server to a new jurisdiction that doesn’t care. The IW4 mod for MW2 2009 was forked and the moved to Tor when Activision came running for them so this isn’t even unprecedented.

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  • [–] 96 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Discord sucks so much. I wish it wasn't so popular.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    The company sucks and it being closed source with shitty security and privacy policy sucks but the software is still the best messaging, gaming, video/streaming experience if we’re being honest. Nothing has all the features and convenience when it comes to watching shows and gaming with friends. Theres also never been such an easy way for anyone to run their own irc/etc server with as many features and convenience/price as discord.

    They are fulfilling a lot of needs and people won’t leave until something 10x better comes out and nothing is even at 1:1 quality in terms of video, voice, streaming, gaming. Some have messaging and history yes but not even bots and different channels/forums setup. Maybe MAYBE telegram if you’re a super user but and thats only for bots and chats no gaming, watching shows, etc

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  • [–] 77 points 2 years ago*

    Well, that's one more small group of people learning not to trust Discord. I hope someone is on hand to show them how to set up a matrix server in a jurisdiction not affected by the DMCA.

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  • [–] 71 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    We need to go back to pre-discord and bring back forums man. Don't get me wrong, discord has its uses, all my friends use it, but discord killing forums and websites was really bad for the internet as a whole. Like look at dolphin, made before discord, it has its own website, its own forums. Hopefully if Nintendo does ever come after dolphin they'll at least be able to keep the website and forums up.

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    [–] 68 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Centralization = easy censorship.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago

    Mass centralization. Old school forums like phpBB and SMF and vBulletin and new-school forums like self-hosted discourse are also centralized, but by one small user calling the shots, and it's very clear immediately which forums are well-run. If a forum isn't well-run with a good community, a 'competitor' will quickly pop up that is, and people will go to it. Sure, you have to have some tech skills but there are easy guides for all of it. Discourse is a simple docker image and it's the best for features and engagement IMO.

    Sure you have to sorry about DDoS attacks and staying patched, but you can use OVH or another host with a large infrastructure that had DDoS resistant servers. Or, god forbid, cloudflare.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

    I understand that Lemmy hates Discord, but this is FAR more of Nintendo being an asshat than it is Discord. I'm so far done giving Nintendo my money at this point

    edit: I just wanna point out that Corgana posted a response that was straight up false, I called him out on it with proof, he edited his response instead of replying to me to make my response to him look bad, and then when I called him out on that by putting what his original response was in my response, he deleted hos post to try and hide his shame. This user apparently has a history of doing this, and I find this HIGHLY manipulative and scummy, so I'm putting this edit here so that he cant hide his actions by deleting them because I called him out before any damage could be done

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    [–] 53 points 2 years ago

    Ooh! I would like to hear from all those who were fervently vouching for Discord as a support channel for FOSS projects.

    Perhaps the same might happen to a web forum or matrix channel. But at least you get an opportunity to backup and migrate.

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  • [+] 44 points 2 years ago* (1 child)
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    [–] 42 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Stop basing your organization on Discord and hosting all your development work there. Don't subject yourself to the whims of venture capital and enshittification.

    Diversify your online presence, and find a local company that will host a matrix server for you.

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I loving all the discord hate here. I’ve never understood why people like it.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    I mean, it's great for audio and video chats. What I never understood is why people started using discord as a forum, as documentation or as some kind of program (like, why is Midjourney on a public discord chat? It's probably the worst possible interface).

    Discord is excellent for chatting with your friends while playing games, and that's it.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Convenient, easy to use, large user base, one point registration for multiple communities, tends to simply just work.

    But is it the best? Nah. And their increased monetisation drives are annoying.

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    [–] 36 points 2 years ago

    sad. but SO predictable that not having a plan B for this situation is laughable

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Guess what? This will make them stronger. Suyu's GitLab repo was already DMCA'd, after that they set up their own Forgejo instance. They also get their website running again (It was down for a few days, I don't know the reason) and they're now strong and independent. Moving away from Discord will only increase their independence.

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    That happens if a single company controls the community (Reddit, Discord) and its closed source on top of it..

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago

    Maybe they should have picked any of the available chat options that aren't totally proprietary?

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    What I find hilarious is that these are just minor hiccups. The emulation scene has existed for a long time and will continue to exist for a long time. None of these recent measures will do anything to stop it as long as the emulator devs aren’t trying to make money off Nintendo IP.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I see discord is entrenched enough where they dont need to care about their users.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I don't get why we are always running after our abusers, we have so many FOSS alternatives to this shit. And please don't hit me with that "discord has more users" bullshit. I'm so sick of these fuckers abusing their powers.

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Everyone here is saying not to use Discord, but what are they expecting the server admins to do after moving off Discord when Nintendo's lawyers send them a letter? Like sure, hate Discord, but the problem here clearly lies with Nintendo.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    but what are they expecting the server admins to do after moving off Discord when Nintendo’s lawyers send them a letter

    ...Not... kick them out? Discord doesn't kick out extremist groups. This seems comparatively mild. I think they had a reasonable expectation to be left alone. Nintendo got a court injunction but Discord didn't fight it.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Host the project in a country where IP laws don't give Nintendo any teeth.

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    Discord is trash anyway, move onto Matrix already

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Time to restore a backup on a different hosting provider... what, Discord doesn't let export backups, or self-host it? Well, shouldn't have relied on Discord then.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    i think thats a little extreme, cant they just remove the content and block them? also why does discord have weapons of mass destruction in the first place?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm sure all these companies have similar policy that they can stop hosting your things if they don't like to

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